Trading Values

Trading is one of the fun parts of the game. If you trade wisely, you will have a prosperous empire!
You need a Branch Office to do a trade among other players in the game. You can either build one at level 17 or purchase at the Trader for 450 gems.


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Each of the resources are determined by production times & materials needed.

http://www.siedlertools.de/w/images/7/7c/Fische.gif Fish: 3.23

http://www.siedlertools.de/w/images/f/f3/Kupfer.gif Copper: 3.6

http://www.siedlertools.de/w/images/e/e4/Wasser.gif Water: 3.71

http://www.siedlertools.de/w/images/6/63/Nadelholz.gif Fir log: 3.75

http://www.siedlertools.de/w/images/2/2b/Stein.gif Stone: 5

http://www.siedlertools.de/w/images/...olzbretter.gif Fir Plank: 6.75

http://www.siedlertools.de/w/images/f/f6/Fleisch.gif Meat: 7.71

http://www.siedlertools.de/w/images/8/8b/Marmor.gif Marble: 9

http://www.siedlertools.de/w/images/2/2d/Kohle.gif Coal: 10.5

http://www.siedlertools.de/w/images/3/33/Laubholz.gif Hardwood Log: 11.25

http://www.siedlertools.de/w/images/b/b9/Getreide.gif Wheat: 12.96

http://www.siedlertools.de/w/images/e/ee/Mehl.gif Flour: 18.8

http://www.siedlertools.de/w/images/7/75/Bronze.gif Bronze: 20.1

http://www.siedlertools.de/w/images/...olzbretter.gif Hardwood Plank: 20.25

http://www.siedlertools.de/w/images/4/4e/Werkzeug.gif Tools: 26.1

http://www.siedlertools.de/w/images/c/cd/Bier.gif Beer: 26.38

http://www.siedlertools.de/w/images/3/32/Brot.gif Bread: 29.22

http://www.siedlertools.de/w/images/0/08/Eisenerz.gif Iron Ore: 29.87

http://www.siedlertools.de/w/images/5/5b/Bogen.gif Bow: 42

http://www.siedlertools.de/w/images/6/60/Wurst.gif Sausage: 42.84

http://www.siedlertools.de/w/images/3/38/Pferd.gif Horse: 46.76

http://www.siedlertools.de/w/images/...nzeschwert.gif Bronze Sword: 48.1

http://www.siedlertools.de/w/images/9/94/Eisen.gif Iron: 194.48

http://www.siedlertools.de/w/images/e/e3/Langbogen.gif Longbow: 204

http://www.siedlertools.de/w/images/9/90/Stahl.gif Steel: 464

http://www.siedlertools.de/w/images/...senschwert.gif Iron Sword: 485

http://www.siedlertools.de/w/images/9/9b/Golderz.gif Gold Ore: 657

http://www.siedlertools.de/w/images/...ahlschwert.gif Steel Sword: 1120

http://www.siedlertools.de/w/images/a/ac/Gold.gif Gold: 1410

http://www.siedlertools.de/w/images/...%C3%BCrbis.png Pumpkin: 2265.6

http://www.siedlertools.de/w/images/f/fa/Muenzen.gif Coin: 5664

http://www.siedlertools.de/w/images/..._easteregg.png Egg: 5664

http://www.siedlertools.de/w/images/a/a6/Geschenk.png Present: 5664

http://www.siedlertools.de/w/images/2/25/Icon_map4.png Map Fragment: 19594

http://www.siedlertools.de/w/images/...xotic_wood.png Exotic Wood, http://www.siedlertools.de/w/images/...tic_planks.png Exotic Plank, & http://www.siedlertools.de/w/images/d/d2/Granit.gif Granite currently trade at 1-2x the value of http://www.siedlertools.de/w/images/f/fa/Muenzen.gif coin.

• Firwood planks and stones are useful in the Provisions House!
• Some values are different than the Provision House, the market value may be better.
• "Update" the trade list often and "send trade request" as soon as you see a trade you like to avoid being "declined."
• Save gold for upgrades!
• You can accept each of the trades, meaning there are no bad trades.

*The values of expert resources cannot be determined at this time. I will update as soon as we are able to mine/produce them.
*Trading is based on supply & demand. Please use this chart as a baseline.
*This is not a "trading guide," it is more of a "value" of resources to each other.


.................................................. ....2011 values............................................ ..................
Each of the resources are given a number based on normal production times & materials needed.
They are to be used as ratios.

1
Fir log

2
Copper
Fish
Water

3
Firwood Planks
Hardwood
Stone

4
Coal
Meat
Wheat


6
Flour
Marble

9
Hardwood Planks

10
Bronze

12
Beer

14
Bread
Tools

16
Bows
Sausages

17
Iron ore

20
Horse

22
Bronze swords

64
Long bows

100
Iron

148
Gold Ore

233
Steel

241
Iron swords

546
Steel swords


Examples:

Fir log value is 1 and wheat is 4. Ratio = 1:4
1 wheat is worth 4 fir logs.

Marble value is 3 and beer is 12. Ratio = 1:4
1 beer is worth 4 marbles.

Bread value is 14 and horse is 20. Ratio= 7:10
7 horses are worth 10 breads.

I like this. It is an accurate value guide.

It certainly can help in deciding prices in market, but as we know, they will fluctuate according to other variables.

I really like this guide and will use it for my Guild Trade House.

Thank you for taking the time to compile it.

This is very nice indeed.

Very nice to see someone attempt this, just a few things to point out in case u decide to go further in depth with this. Please dont take this as me pointing out mistakes, but some of the values are just not accurate and so I'm trying to help. Copper should be higher, coal and meat are def worth more than wheat, marble and hw planks are extremely close in value, beer is over valued, bows and iron swords are over valued, and horses could be made slightly higher. Any questions feel free to conatc me in game or here as well as I'll check this regularly and help you better solidify this list if you dont mind my assistance.

I tried to do something like this a while back [link invalid - removed]. I mostly got negative responses at the time, but I do think it's a worthwhile endeavor, and i hope you have better luck than I did. It was probably too early to get good estimates then and I don't agree with all of your values now, but those types of details can be worked out in conversation. It's a big hurdle just to get that conversation started without being shut down by people who don't want their "customers" to know they're being ripped off.

That being said I have to disagree with your placement of hardwood. I think hardwood planks and marble are closer to the same value, and if anything, marble is slightly more valuable because it continues to be needed in more higher level buildings. I also don't think hardwood planks are 3 times as valuable as hardwood. A slight surplus or shortage of mills can make a 3/2 trade of hardwood to planks a decent deal. Personally, I would put hardwood at 4 and hardwood planks at 6.

I'm looking to possibly add this list as a tool on [link invalid - removed]. What values would you assign to Map Fragments, gold bars, and gold coins?

This should be considered price fixing or at least point out that the demand at time out weighs the ratios..

Oh, I'm placing a note that the real trading is based on demand, and that this is just considered a baseline.

Edit: The Trade calculator is now live at [link invalid - removed]

Audrey, I gave you credit at the site for coming up with the original numbers.

Just an FYI, here is a link to a german calc that has had a lot of work done to balance things. Again it does not calculate demand but I find it to be very accurate when comparing things http://blog.nessio.net/die-siedler-o...andelsrechner/

use, google or microsoft translator to convert to english

this game is interesting and a little confusing

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Oh, I'm placing a note that the real trading is based on demand, and that this is just considered a baseline.

Edit: The Trade calculator is now live at [link invalid - removed]
Audrey, I gave you credit at the site for coming up with the original numbers.

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Nice, I don't see coins anywhere though?

Hi, thank you Audrey,
your trade values have been very helpful, so helpful we put your data in Excel and made a calculator...

Not sure how to load an Excel file in a web page, we have attached a snapshot.

Do you have an update for some of the missing items' trade values?

Any advice on how to share this spreadsheet will be appreciated.

Thanks!

Enjoy!

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Originally Posted by Grigori_Rho

Hi, thank you Audrey,
your trade values have been very helpful, so helpful we put your data in Excel and made a calculator...

Not sure how to load an Excel file in a web page, we have attached a snapshot.

Do you have an update for some of the missing items' trade values?

Any advice on how to share this spreadsheet will be appreciated.

Thanks!

Enjoy!

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Try googledocs.

Audrey, I'm looking over these values and I'm not sure how you arrived at them. I've been working out a theory of market value, myself, thinking I could take your idea and run with it a little. But when I compare our values, not only are they different - which I would expect, since I have a variation to offer - but I realize I don't know how you calculated yours.

For instance, you say wheat and stone should trade at 3:4, or 1.33 stone per wheat. Now, if you were using only production times as the measure (which is what I thought at first), that ratio would be 5:12, or 2.4 stone to wheat. Again, you say wheat and fir wood should trade at about 1:4, but based solely on the time it takes to produce fir wood that would be 1:8.

The variation I was going to suggest is the concept of a "license-hour", which takes into account not just how much time it takes (for example) a fir cutter to produce fir wood, but also how many fir foresters are needed to support the cutter. With that concept in mind, wheat and stone would still trade at 1:4 (there are no support buildings involved), but a fir cutter needs 1½ foresters as well so instead of trading at 1:8, wheat should go for 3.2 stone, a ratio of 5:16. This doesn't match your values either.

The only guess I have left is that you take the cost of the buildings into account too. This is only fair - based solely on production times marble and stone should trade at 5:9, which just isn't going to happen - but how do you work out how to balance the one-time cost of a building against the ongoing cost of production time? I may end up disagreeing with your method, in the end, but then again I may not, for I'm not sure, myself, how to go about it. With mines it's easier, for the value of a mine is time-limited (when the deposit runs out). But for masons and other more-or-less permanent buildings, I'm not sure how to approach the problem.

I think we should make up a currency and report all tradable items to it. This way, the cost of the building can be factored in, as a percentage of the fix cost of the building and the producton time. Therefore for example, 1 stone = 3.78 curency ... and so on. Once you got this, all tradable items can be compared. Not to mention that for example you can add the cost of 1 coal to 1 bronze for example and 1 bronze to the total cost of 1 tool.

PS: stone should be the cheapest item since it requires no mine building cost, nor forrester building like for loggs. Since everything can be produced given enough time, the currency can be actually the time.
Regards,
Aetius

Once we get the values established we can start taxing the property and/or income.


Just kidding.

fir log is 1 and steel swords is 546 so 546 fir logs is worth 1 sword?

im confused trying to read this

I iz dumb?

Nice work on the update, Audrey. It's definitely a great way to get an idea on a place to start for pricing on things when you're unsure. =)

The trade calculator on [link invalid - removed] has been updated with these new values. The old [link invalid - removed] is still available as well.

Let me know if you find any inconsistencies. (And thanks again to Audrey for putting these values together, and especially for letting me know they had been updated.)

Thanks
-Draxxon

I put in a trade of 400 marble for 25 coins and got this message:
This might be a good trade. The suggested trade ratio is 3:1888 (0.002), but this ratio of 16:1 (16) is even better.
Something along the lines of 0 might be more fair, though. I think this ratio is off.

Yes, the number for gold coins seems to be a little skewed. This is one of the reasons i made it so that you can choose which set of numbers you want to use from the drop-down at the top.

dude

While this is all very interesting, it does seems a little scewed, as Wall observed. Has the time to locate deposits been included? Given that I can fill most of Stone quarries, with a single geologist, in the time it takes the second to find one Marble deposit. Wouldn't this effect the ratios you're trying to generate?

Thank you for this post, Audrey.


kdog43: take a look at the Beginner Guides.

This post is 3 years old

and wow

lol that's how long I've been here. I'm feeling old :(

is there a current site that is still up?

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is there a current site that is still up?

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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...D1E/edit#gid=0

Thank you, EpsilonSilver.

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Originally Posted by EpsilonSilver

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...D1E/edit#gid=0

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Nice work, but not useful for the Ares player who asked...

And no, there is no such thing for Ares server, AFAIK.

Well, Remei you do seem to have alot of time on your hands. Get cracking!.........j/k.....kind of.

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Originally Posted by Remei

Nice work, but not useful for the Ares player who asked...

And no, there is no such thing for Ares server, AFAIK.

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So thanks I guess.