More realistic trading values

Recently, I've been receiving more complaints about the trading values returned by my trade calculator on CastleEmpireSim.com

The numbers used for this tool have been taken from various places around the internet including the list Audrey posted here in the forums (http://forum.castleempireonline.com/...Trading-Values), as well as a couple of other sources that have posted trade values.

The problem that most people are complaining about is that the values are a good baseline to start with, but rarely reflect what is actually being traded for in the trade tab. One of the reasons for this, is that the values tend to change with the game economy, and with supply and demand, so will NEVER be 100% accurate. About the only way I would ever be able to make it THAT accurate is to tie directly into the trade tab and monitor it. However, to do so is a violation of the game's TOS, so until I manage to get permission from BlueByte and UbiSoft, I'm stuck with having to estimate.

To this end, I've been working on trying to come up with a list of some more reasonable trade Ratios, which I will post here. Please take a few moments to look it over and let me know (by replying here) if something needs to be adjusted. I will try to review this forum post, and update the values regularly. Once everyone seems to agree (for the moment) on what values something is trading for, I will make changes to the Online Trade Calculator to reflect this list. Because it is such a valuable commodity, I am targeting everything against Gold coins. Also, I realize that a few items are missing. This is because I haven't yet gotten good enough numbers to supply these yet.

Here's what and have come up with so far:


http://castleempiresim.com/icn/res/icon_wood.png 400 : http://castleempiresim.com/icn/res/icon_coins.png 2

http://castleempiresim.com/icn/res/icon_planks.png 400 : http://castleempiresim.com/icn/res/icon_coins.png 2

http://castleempiresim.com/icn/res/icon_stone.png 400 : http://castleempiresim.com/icn/res/icon_coins.png 2

http://castleempiresim.com/icn/res/icon_fish.png 400 : http://castleempiresim.com/icn/res/icon_coins.png 2

http://castleempiresim.com/icn/res/icon_coal.png 400 : http://castleempiresim.com/icn/res/icon_coins.png 10

http://castleempiresim.com/icn/res/icon_bronze_ore.png 400 : http://castleempiresim.com/icn/res/icon_coins.png 10

http://castleempiresim.com/icn/res/icon_bronze.png 400 : http://castleempiresim.com/icn/res/icon_coins.png 12

http://castleempiresim.com/icn/res/icon_tools.png 400 : http://castleempiresim.com/icn/res/icon_coins.png 19

http://castleempiresim.com/icn/res/icon_water.png 400 : http://castleempiresim.com/icn/res/icon_coins.png 1

http://castleempiresim.com/icn/res/icon_wheat.png 400 : http://castleempiresim.com/icn/res/icon_coins.png 6

http://castleempiresim.com/icn/res/icon_beer.png 400 : http://castleempiresim.com/icn/res/icon_coins.png 10

http://castleempiresim.com/icn/res/icon_flour.png 400 : http://castleempiresim.com/icn/res/icon_coins.png 8

http://castleempiresim.com/icn/res/icon_bread.png 400 : http://castleempiresim.com/icn/res/icon_coins.png 14

http://castleempiresim.com/icn/res/i...onze_sword.png 400 : http://castleempiresim.com/icn/res/icon_coins.png 26

http://castleempiresim.com/icn/res/icon_real_wood.png 400 : http://castleempiresim.com/icn/res/icon_coins.png 8

http://castleempiresim.com/icn/res/icon_real_planks.png 400 : http://castleempiresim.com/icn/res/icon_coins.png 21

http://castleempiresim.com/icn/res/icon_iron_ore.png 400 : http://castleempiresim.com/icn/res/icon_coins.png 27

http://castleempiresim.com/icn/res/icon_iron.png 400 : http://castleempiresim.com/icn/res/icon_coins.png 32

http://castleempiresim.com/icn/res/icon_steel.png 400 : http://castleempiresim.com/icn/res/icon_coins.png 50

http://castleempiresim.com/icn/res/icon_gold_ore.png 400 : http://castleempiresim.com/icn/res/icon_coins.png 90

http://castleempiresim.com/icn/res/icon_gold.png 400 : http://castleempiresim.com/icn/res/icon_coins.png 130

http://castleempiresim.com/icn/res/icon_marble.png 400 : http://castleempiresim.com/icn/res/icon_coins.png 22

http://castleempiresim.com/icn/res/icon_meat.png 400 : http://castleempiresim.com/icn/res/icon_coins.png 14

http://castleempiresim.com/icn/res/icon_sausage.png 400 : http://castleempiresim.com/icn/res/icon_coins.png 36

http://castleempiresim.com/icn/res/icon_horse.png 400 : http://castleempiresim.com/icn/res/icon_coins.png 29

http://castleempiresim.com/icn/res/i...on_sword_2.png 400 : http://castleempiresim.com/icn/res/icon_coins.png 164

http://castleempiresim.com/icn/res/icon_steel_sword.png 400 : http://castleempiresim.com/icn/res/icon_coins.png 308

http://castleempiresim.com/icn/res/icon_longbow.png 400 : http://castleempiresim.com/icn/res/icon_coins.png 68


http://castleempiresim.com/icn/res/icon_exotic_wood.png 400 : http://castleempiresim.com/icn/res/icon_coins.png 262

http://castleempiresim.com/icn/res/i...tic_planks.png 400 : http://castleempiresim.com/icn/res/icon_coins.png 262

http://castleempiresim.com/icn/res/icon_granite.png 400 : http://castleempiresim.com/icn/res/icon_coins.png 387

http://castleempiresim.com/icn/res/icon_mapfrag.png 1 : http://castleempiresim.com/icn/res/icon_coins.png 4

http://castleempiresim.com/icn/res/icon_pumpkin.png 400 : http://castleempiresim.com/icn/res/icon_coins.png 160

http://castleempiresim.com/icn/res/icon_egg.png 400 : http://castleempiresim.com/icn/res/icon_coins.png 400

http://castleempiresim.com/icn/res/icon_present.png 400 : http://castleempiresim.com/icn/res/icon_coins.png 400


EDIT 1/25/2012: I have finished averaging everything that I have up to this point. The numbers posted above reflect these changes, and I think they are starting to look a bit more like what we actually use. For some of the ones that I had questions about (for example I thought fir Logs might be too high), I tried posting trades in the game. To my surprise, I received quite a few trades, so it looks like they might be pretty accurate baselines.

Great list, the only one that sticks out to me (besides the event items wich are always in flux) would be the marble, I regularly see it for around 20 gold per 400.

Yeah, I'm still working on the numbers, and it seems like Marble just dropped through the floor recently. However, this is EXACTLY why I'm wanting to get feedback on what people are currently trading things for. If I can manage to get enough response here, I'll try to make the changes live this weekend with adjusted values. I'll still leave the old values available to use, but I'll use these by default...

I'm going to try to keep this list updated once a week, and if I don't get any major complaints about values, I'll update the Trade Calculator with these values a day or 2 afterwards. The hard part is trying to determine if the values in the Game are just someone offloading a bunch of resources to make some quick coins, or if it is a sustainable change that will continue at that price over time.

This is why I'm opening it up for discussion among everyone.

-Drax

CEO currency = gold coins. You can buy anything with gold coins. Well, almost anything.. not a castle or a collapsed wall. I have lots of gargoyles for adoption :D

New players, just be cautious of spending gold coins for resources. You will need gold coins for recruiting specialists from the tavern & upgrading buildings.

Marble and hardwood planks are consumed like wildfire until you build up all your licenses and upgrade to about level 3; then you slow down tremendously.

Well, I'm not saying that all trades should be DONE in gold coins, I'm just trying to fix the values of the resources to gold coins. Once I do that, you will be able to use the Ratios to trade anything to anything.

Mainly, i'm just trying to make sure that these numbers look right before I add them into the Trade Calculator. (In other words, speak now, or forever hold your peace! ...Well, at least until i do the next round of changes. :) )

Where is iron ore? Where are hardwood logs?

I think these days the values of coins went up. not only marble seems to drop, lately, horses can also be seen around at 400 per 25. I try to sell at 35-40 but only receive 1 or 2. and breads see 400 for 15 or so.

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Originally Posted by bombcar

Where is iron ore? Where are hardwood logs?

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I'm waiting to gather more info on these. If you have suggestions, please post them.

This is just what i've seen, feel free to correct.

Fir Logs 1-3
Fish 1-3
Coal 8-12
Tools 20-30
Beer 10-15
Bread 15-20
Bronze Swords 25-35
Marble 20-30
Horses 25-35
Iron Swords 140-200
Iron Ore 30-40