Quigley's trading post

Hello, and welcome to my store. Feel free to add me as a friend and send these offers to me anytime, all trades will be accepted in as I am able and in the order they are received.

Turn your extra fir logs into higher end goods. 400 fir logs will get you:

New Prices For March 2012!

3 gold coins - Steel Swords
5 steel bars
10 gold ore
15 Longbow
25 Sausage
35 Bronze Swords - Horses
75 Marble - HW Planks
100 HW Logs

Quigley will give you 100 horses for 400 HW Logs

Quigley give you 60 coins or 75 exotic planks for 400 gold ore

Quigley will give you 150 Gold Coins for the Stealing from the Rich adventure
150 Gold Coins for the Island of the Pirates
100 Gold Coins for the Horseback adventure
100 Gold Coins for the Dark Priests adventure
.... feel free to contact me about other adventures you may have for sale!

The above list represents trades based on a combination of the trade calculator, market research, and current demands.

"I'm looking for players who are looking to trade with me regularly so they can avoid the hassles and tedium of the marketplace."

If you would like information about other trades, feel free to mail me in game about the details. Also, please contact me if you would like to gift me a watermill deed in exchange for the equivalent gold coins and other resources.

The above rates are not set in stone and are subject to change.

Almost none of these are good deals. Just thought i would warn people, give the trade tab a try before doing anything like this.

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Originally Posted by Quigley

Hello, and welcome to my store. Feel free to add me as a friend and send these offers to me anytime, all trades will be accepted in as I am able and in the order they are received.
Quigley give you 60 coins or 75 exotic planks for 400 gold ore

Quigley will give you 90 coins for 100 granite

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These 2 are kind of okay.

Have you seen the price of titanium bars?

I know many of my trades aren't the best deals in the world, but every time i put them up on the board I get plenty of responses and if they were any better I would quickly be out of stock of many of my better items.

Bobj is actually right, you should check the trade board first before coming to me. I'm not the average trader. First off, I rarely decline a trade that I've put up. If you send me 10,000 fir logs or 10,000 gold ore, I'm going to do my very best to accept every single one of them. Secondly, I'm mostly offering high end items like gold coins and exotic planks for the lowly fir log. For every item in the game, you will find that there is a range of values represented on the trade board that "connect" and make trades happen depending on everything from your perspective, i.e. buying or selling / in a hurry or willing to take your time to other factors such as the time of day or night or how well versed in castle empire's economy the player placing the trade is. From my perspective if you want to make the sorts of trades I'm offering on any consistent type of basis you have to use values that are on the lower end of that spectrum. And third, I didn't see too many other players on here offering to do provide similar services and while comments from folks like Bobj are unfortunate, they really end up amounting to a whole lot of nothing when clear examples and alternatives are not provided. Specifically Bobj, what trades of mine is the most out of line? How far off is it and are you willing to provide better deals and accept an avalanche of offers in my stead?

Thank you for standing up for me Sirroy but I'm not actually concerned with my critics as I already have many other traders who appreciate my trading services and happily send dozens of trades to me daily. I'm here merely to expand and enhance my activities as I figured out a long time ago that setting up regular trade partnerships allows both myself and my clients the freedom to focus on other more profitable trading patterns on the active marketplace.

Finally, as I ended my original post with the fact that my trade rates are not set in stone and are subject to change. That means you can contact me and negotiate a better deal for yourself!

I just don't see a need for us, as high level players with large economies to exploit new players. There is such a thing as a good trade for both parties- and maybe in certain situations that could be true for some of those trades posted there. But there are also some in the post that are 3 to 4 times the going rate on those resources in quigley's favor. Can't we as the more veteran players see the value in new and upcoming members to the game as a asset and be thankful more people are getting in to the game we love instead of trying to use them to get another 5% of a level on a day or upgrade 1 more building. Shouldn't we be trying to shepherd new players into this complicated game so that is its less daunting as possible? After all, I and i'm sure many veteran players would like to continue playing this game. And the only way we can hope to do that is to have new players not be scared away or think they got ripped off and only realize it two weeks later. Maybe I am expecting too much and there is no sacred cow in the ever-going trade war some seem to be daily engaged in. Lets call a truce and agree that trades based off getting many resources of the lower tier for a paltry amount of goods in return is not really meant to help these new players.

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Originally Posted by Quigley

when clear examples and alternatives are not provided. Specifically Bobj, what trades of mine is the most out of line? How far off is it and are you willing to provide better deals and accept an avalanche of offers in my stead?

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Lets just start with the first one. 400 fir wood logs for two gold coins. Its fairly reliable to get 5-8g for a stack of these on trade- you don't need to wait long usually either to get a bite at that price. So selling to you Is getting around 40% of fair value. The reason why this upsets me a bit more is that it is seemingly aimed dead straight at new players who have excess fir wood logs. Sure high level players like us run overages of these on occasion but I'm sure we are also the ones who are more aware of the value of these goods. Let me also say that I do understand as stated in my previous post that it is possible this could be a good deal for someone in a specific situation and only plays for 15 mins a day and never really has a full picture of the market. My only goal in posting here was to make those people who are more regular and new that this shouldn't be used as some sort of a price guide for the trades they do with others.

Bobj, I literally trade hundreds of thousands of fir logs per week at mostly 2 gold coins per stack and have been doing so for months now, I don't expect to stop anytime soon. I have no problem finding players new and old who are more then happy to make this trade, so much so that it doesn't even make sense to pay 3. Hell, even 1 gold coin per stack works if there is no competition on the board. In any case, I don't feel that this is a rip off, if anything getting 8 coins for a stack of 400 fir logs seems way off base and while I'm sure people sometimes pay that amount there is really no point for someone like myself to do so when I can easily pick up 400 coal at that rate if not slightly lower. To call my trades a rip off or whatever is really over the top considering that there really are people who put up truly ridiculous trades that make no sense at all and are really a blight on the trade system overall.

From the looks of things Bobj, you come off really out of touch with reality. I mean, come on, the screen cap in your signature area showing that you've spent hundreds of dollars on gems for this game underlines your separateness from most of the player base that simply can't spend that much real money on in game resources. Obviously, if you want 400 fir logs, you can just spend 112 gems at the shop and avoid trading all together now can't you? That must be nice, but for the 99% of us who either can't afford to or prefer not to rely on such a massive crutch, we'll just have to play the game and trade with others to advance now won't we?

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Originally Posted by Quigley

From the looks of things Bobj, you come off really out of touch with reality. I mean, come on, the screen cap in your signature area showing that you've spent hundreds of dollars on gems for this game underlines your separateness from most of the player base that simply can't spend that much real money on in game resources. Obviously, if you want 400 fir logs, you can just spend 112 gems at the shop and avoid trading all together now can't you? That must be nice, but for the 99% of us who either can't afford to or prefer not to rely on such a massive crutch, we'll just have to play the game and trade with others to advance now won't we?

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You know that is a joke right it is a photo editing job, but its good to know I did a good job! I just assume that people also know that there is no such thing as a gem deposit that my avatar would indicate. Anyways My goal was not to stop you from doing this just to give new players a heads up that they can do better with a slight amount of work. No hard feelings I understand that some players are going to be cut-throat and that is fine, but that does not mean I cant come and put my un-offensive two cents in to try and protect new players.

Well, you know Bobj, I didn't get your photo editing joke (unfunny btw!) because I choose to think of you as more arrogant than juvenile and so it appears I stand corrected. I'm starting to suspect that you are nothing but a dyed-in-the-wool troll merely masquerading as a concerned community member and now that I've unmasked you, I'm going to have to insist that you stop with your games.

Anyway, whatever your true intent may have been, clearly your original comment was out of line. I have been working these trades daily for a long time and to suggest that I'm ripping people off is a direct attack on my character and the intelligence of my regular trader friends and I won't stand for it. The only honorable way forward now is for you to contact a moderator, admit your mistake and request to have your responses here removed at once.

Fir logs are not worth 5-8 coins... they are 2-4 coins 5 if the person really need them.
firwood cutters have a production time of 1 min and 30 sec, so about 2mins total on good placement, so over 9 hours you get about 810 logs per cutter, so because you have 2 thats 1620.

fir logs price is also low because it has no cost to run... trees are free to plant and so is cutting them, its also why they dont get buffed most of the time, unlike weapon smiths, bakers...ect who have too use up supplies, supplies to make mines then coal to smelt the ore into bars then more coal to turn the bars into weapons.

high level things like gold mines, gold smelters and coin makers all have to be buffed because the cost is so high to run them that if its not buffed you losing money. fir logs dont have that problem.

I dont know why Bobj needs any posts removed from mods. He stated his opinion, Quigley you called him on it, and it seems to me you guys had a decent, polite discussion. Lets not turn this into a police state where you cant post your opinion in a polite way (and then back it up if called out for it). I will say 5-8g for fir logs is off, they seem to go for 1-3g and even straight 1:1 for fish or water....*but thats my opinion*

Quigley It just seemed from the tenor of your post that you wanted to be some sort of feudal lord with a bunch of low level "serfs" feeding your massive economy with goods you can no longer produce yourself.

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Originally Posted by Quigley

Quigley's Island is an economic power with few rivals, with all building permits unlocked and featuring 8 sets of level 3 gold smelters/coinages as well as 5 exotic sawmills rest assured that Quigley is prepared to handle your large volume transactions.

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You also made it seem like this was some sort of helpful new service that you were going out of your way to provide

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Originally Posted by Quigley

"I'm looking for players who are looking to trade with me regularly so they can avoid the hassles and tedium of the marketplace."

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Lets be honest its not about helping people at all it is all about "quigley". Just seemed a bit like you were misrepresenting things here and is why I posted my warning. Nothing was meant as an attack on you, I just think that new players deserve someone looking out for them- if you feel that I was not acting in this spirit I apologize for any misunderstanding. Please know I am not calling out you or anyone who trades with you. As I stated previously I understand that in certain situations these type of deals work out for both parties. But if I were brand new to this game some of these deals might lead me to believe that those are the going rates for the goods in question. Once again sorry if my intentions have soured anyone reading these posts, I did not mean anyone any harm and was only trying to help the new trader out (after all there is a total of like 44 posts in this forum there is not a whole lot of current info on the value of things).

Titanium is the new gold

I'm not going to mention anything to the mods, it's just not my style and I think most people will find Bobj's statements laughable. I've already received quite a bit of new business from this post so if it also provides some entertainment and educational value as well, all the better. I was just suggesting that Bobj might want to go the route of self censorship in order to hide his own shameful statements from public view. Personally I can stand by what I've said here, but the facts of the matter preclude Bobj from doing so. Some of his latest statements just make me shake my head in disbelief and I refuse to address them here because they hardly merit a rebuttal. If I know anything about the internet it's this: the best way to get a troll to go away is to stop feeding it. So with that said, it's been fun but I'd like to put this matter to rest as I've already spent more time on this than it deserves.

Gentlemen,
As a comparative newb, I'm not sure why anyone should care what Quigley charges. I'm not too sure why Quigley should care what other members say.
1. "take advantage of newcomers"... Interesting that even in a game, you get liberal vs conservative economics. Everyone is stupid and must be protected by their betters? As Ron Paul said in a debate: "Isn't that what freedom means? People are free to face the consequences of their own choices?"
1a. (an exception?) - This is a game; played primarily by minors... Well, the game is free - perhaps a lesson in economics and relative worth is a GOOD idea for children. Learning the value of imaginary "gold coins" is much better than them paying real money and being cheated. This is probably a good place to learn to think for themselves. IF Quigley's prices are high - he's providing just such a service and deserves his take.
1b. (exception part II) - BUT, you CAN spend real money in this game to get the imaginary coins... THEN wouldn't it be wrong to "cheat" children? Well, if their parents pulled out a credit card and gave them real money to spend - I believe all of the above applies. No different than a kid taking his whole $20 allowance and blowing it on candy, then puking. Bad choices are NOT someone else's job to ride the white horse to the rescue. Especially if they reduce MY personal choices by their deciding on my behalf what is "fair" and "unfair".

THAT just dawned on me... why, if you feel your role in the game is to protect newbies and give them a fair deal, don't YOU open a "store" like Quigley's and offer 5-8 gold for 400 fir. PLEASE do so... I will be your first and best customer.
But, like all liberal thinkers, no one wants to actually offer that price, they just want to weigh in that others should. Lord, protect me from people who want to protect me.

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Originally Posted by Braddicus

THAT just dawned on me... why, if you feel your role in the game is to protect newbies and give them a fair deal, don't YOU open a "store" like Quigley's and offer 5-8 gold for 400 fir.

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It is worth noting that quigley and I have worked out our issues and I apologized. It was a misunderstanding more than anything and you are correct to ask me to put up or shut up when it comes to this. I'm just not a consumer of goods, but a supplier- so i'm always looking at things from that perspective (i.e. trying to get the most for my resources) if I were a net consumer of goods there is simply no doubt that I would be trying to buy for the lowest possible prices.

Understood, Bobj. Sorry about the rant. I'll just say that Ron Paul speeches and alcohol are NOT a good mix. Remember kids - friends don't let friends post drunk. Hope there are no hard feelings. (But feel free to still make a permanent 8 gp for 400 fir "store"... I'd STILL like to get that action on a regular basis!)
Respectfully,
Braddicus

Well, now that I've finished completely upgrading my provisions house and my barracks is humming along at level 4, I am now able to offer better prices. I've also removed some items that I am having supply issues with currently, but feel free to ask me in game about those items not listed here anyway.

By the way Braddicus, from someone who has met with and personally donated money to Ron Paul, your drunken rant made my day! Thank you for that : )

hey quigley are you still looking for more customers?
I tried a few times to contact you but no responds just wondering if your still open to new players or not.
thanks in advance for an answer.