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Its time the community bands together and stops this scamming and abuse of lower levels.
we level 30+ do not pay 30g a stack for marble. Its wrong of people to charge this to new players because of their ignorance.
You can unite behind me on correcting this, or not. But either way, i will bring down this price, and make sure they are educated to know you are cheating them.
Do you part, and do what is right for the community. Stop cheating people. End your greed.
This is a game Talar.
It has a free market economy.
The market corrects itself and prices are set by ALL the players, not by you.
Your latest round of chat spams accusing higher level players of greed are only making you a laughingstock.
Chill out, relax and PLAY the game.
You can't dictate to everyone what prices should be.
I honestly think you need some kind of medications or something.
Watching you swing from guild recruitment spams to tirades spams on prices and to pasting passages out of the Koran in chat has me convinced that your mental health is the issue here.
IT'S A GAME! It should be fun. You are turning it into a nightmare. Please stop.
Couldn't agree with you more talar. The people trying to protect new players from wasting precious gold should not be singled out by some folks for ridicule and harassment. We should realize that the game needs new players to grow and people are only going to drive people off by extorting gold out of new players. There are unscroupulous sorts out there all the more willing to take gold from unsuspecting new players. We don't need to go into calling people out by name but maybe this will help them realize that its bad for them in the long run the more people quit the game because of frustration after realizing they just traded a few days worth of gold away for practically nothing.
I consider myself an expert on mmorpg economies and all I can say is 'more power to ya.'
I'm not going to try to stop you but I will just give you a heads up that you're most likely wasting your time/effort. The main problem is that the low level players need the materials they are buying and economies like this are always based on supply and demand. If you are willing to always keep the supply up for low level players then the prices will be driven down (like you say). But you're going to need to put a ton of effort into it. You'll need to keep about 15 different resources on the trade tab at any given time. The moment your trade expires and you don't renew it someone else is going to put marble up for 35g a stack again.
People (at least the smart ones) look at the trade tab before putting their offer up. If the supply is low at the moment the price goes up.
Anyway, I'm not bashing you, I just thought I should warn you what you're up against.
Rantankerous
This is the last I am going to say on the matter. I regulary charge 30 coin for marble and hw planks, and the hits I get are from seasoned players, not newBs. I get the impression that you are looking to buy hw planks and marble and don't want to pay 30 coin for it and no one will fill your asking trade for peanuts. If you are so against it, prove to me that marble and hw planks are not worth 30 coin.
I am not sure why you complain about the prices and the market so much. The prices changes from when I joined are def in favor of the newer player. Everything was very out of whack in October but every month it has improved. You and your guild can try to tamper with the Market and I wish you luck but you guys will probably not affect it too much.
Everything is worth what its purchaser will pay for it.
Publilius Syrus
(~100 BC)
meh, something is worth what people will pay. that being said, those making above market trades waste their own time, especially since we can only have one trade active at a time. if somebody wants to spend all night trying to make 30g on 400 marble or hardwood planks a few times, let them. meanwhile i'll be moving thousands of units and making considerably more on volume. to each their own.
The issue is not what we upper levels trade at.
for example you will not find any upper level paying 30g a stack for marble or hardwood planks.
they will trade 15g or somewhere in that area.
Now a new player comes along and does not know its not worth 30g, and pays 30g.
this is the problem. It has nothing to do with anything other then "higher levels taking advantage of lower levels"
it is also entirely likely that new players that don't know the market are making these trades, in order to maximize their returns on a limited supply of marble or hardwood. i know when i first started, i'd start pretty high, realize i wasn't moving anything, then reprice several times until i found a sweet spot. no sense in demonizing those that are trying to learn the market. if some upper lever wants to babysit a overpriced marble trade all night, let them do so; they are only slowing themselves down.
but hey, if you want to become a market maker by cornering the marble market with your oversupply, more power to ya. i'm not gonna complain about a constant supply of cheap marble and hardwood. in fact, i request that you do the same with sausage, iron ore and coal also. i've seen some pretty ridiculous trades there as well.
Im sorry, But your not going to get me out of this presuit.
I know a lot of you want me to stop because it will screw your gold income from scams.
but i will for atleast a week be spamming to educate the noobs. if nothing else you will see your scam income diminish greatly.
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Originally Posted by SirRoy
Talar,
Instead of spamming the help chat and global with the huge paragraph of tirade against the evil, greedy higher levels robbing the poor noobs blind, in addition to your guild recruitment spams, just post the link to this thread and bring the conversation here?
Yep, I feel alot of people are like this.. They charge high amouts, then pay little for the same resource.Quote:
Originally Posted by LadyTerra
Agreed :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantankerous
Completely True, A great quote to go with this game.Quote:
Originally Posted by SylarDrake
Great Idea, Im tired of the spam he posts in the chats, it does nothing but anger people.....Quote:
Originally Posted by SirRoy
I love you. This is why we're buddies!Quote:
Originally Posted by SirRoy
Talar honestly, if they were smarter they'd get advice before doing anything. I personally was never tricked by anything because it was obvious that many of the trade were random, half them were low, other half extremely high, so I asked first... If you have a real problem with that, maybe your guild should actually supply each other instead of surviving off trades...
And honestly SirRoy... He's been a laughingstock for a while :P
If you really want to help noobs, list at 35, and anytime someone takes the trade, mail them, explain, and refund.
Signature by talar jethro lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Jethro702
What I cant give him credit for something he did? I think it was nice I mentioned his name in it.... but frankly it has nothing to do with the topic of this thread. So can we stick to dicussing that and not my signature.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobj
The founding principles of [CORP] and most high level players I know is fair trade.
We have an in house price list that I have decided to take public.
This list is based on trade experience since July, trade calculators, and gut instinct.
It is a guideline we use, not set in stone and reflects what we truly believe to be fair rates.
I do not have more exotics simply because I have little experience trading them.
http://forum.castleempireonline.com/...758#post166758
I'm just saying your busting his chops kinda hard for someone who's done something for you. I don't think there is any nefariousness in what talar was saying in his original post although I cannot say about global chat since I don't hang out in there much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jethro702
I see both sides of this argument, however, I disagree that the prices should be dictated by a few people. Also, a few people working to drive down the prices could become a futile effort. The lower prices will cause players to stop putting their resources in trade, thus causing a smaller supply and increasing the amount people are willing to pay for it. So, unless you intend to constantly increase your supply, buyers will start posting higher prices in order to attract the sellers that are no longer posting due to the low prices. Don't know if this is written clearly, so it might take a few reads to understand.
You should offer what you think is fair and accept what you think is affordable. A fair trade is one that both parties accecpt, nothing more.
One of the problems is the trade system itself. If someone only logs on for 15-20 mins at a time they are only getting a fraction of the available market. So at times they may see only one stack of marble on sale and it happens to be the person trying to get 35g for it. Well if they just absolutely need to do some building upgrade and are shortsighted (seems to be an epidemic in this game) they are going to pay the 35g. Once and if a new trade system is in place these free market factors can come into play more and we will find the true value of things. As it is now there is a large incentive to price on the higher end of the spectrum just to take advantage of these types of buyers.
Edmund, you signaturehttp://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c2...mund571Pop.jpg banner is nor rendering.Quote:
Originally Posted by Edmund
Well I got this Signature before he started spamming.... might have to get one of these fancy ones I seem by Emahs2Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobj
You mean like this lovely one =Quote:
Originally Posted by Jethro702
Yes I like the monkey..... Opps I think we are hijacking this thread... :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Bobj
Talar, if you care about helping the newbies of CEO you would sit in the help tab and tell new players what they should be paying for resources. I (like most others) take advantage of the free trade because I need that extra profit in order to advance to the next level. But I always tell new players the real value of resources as well as advising them not to take me up on my trade offers in the trade tab.
I think you just want to be a leader since starting your own guild wasn't enough of a power trip for you.
If you really care for the new players, why haven't you created a chart of the real value of resources and posted it in the forums?
And post the link in the chat channels instead of spamming them with advertisements of your guild?
I'd love to hear your answers for those questions.