Well Isn't this nice

Those who complain about taking others away from guilds Wrote to one of my members "I received this mail from Aquila, I have to say I am thoroughly disappointed in this behavior. She kicked my friend from her alliance because I would not go to her alliance. It was either I come over there or I leave PH.

Do people in this game really like this person? She has many issues and needs to separate herself from this game and what real life is.

My friend will supply me with the mail she sent him. My friend and I play here at my house and joined the PH/KoA website from here. She has been tracking our IP addresses and made some serious accusations which I plan on reporting to Ubisoft (not sure that will go anywhere).
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ORIGINAL MESSAGE FROM AQUILA:

Hi, I've been talking with ***** and he's told me he would contact you about which guild you both would like to stay in.

It will be almost a guarantee that KoA and PH will be into some pvp and I can not have the both of you in separate guilds.

You are definitly welcome to join our guild if you choose to and i woul dlike to keep _____ in KoA. But if you decide to stay with PH I will respect your decision.

I am only asking this because _____ was saying you are his buff partner and once pvp comes I will not be wanting the both of you to be in separate guild, especially not in a guild we may be attacking.

Let me know what you decide. You are welcome to join KoA.

Thank you

Aquila

Players name was blanked out to prtect the Innocence.

Are you new to this type of game? Because that's valid guild behavior. I'll grant you, it's rather premature, considering that there's no formal timeline for pvp to even begin, let alone what it will exactly mean, or how it will work.

But if guild A expects to be at war with guild B, you'd be rather stupid to keep someone in your guild who knowingly fraternizes with someone from that rival guild. Guild chat can/will be used to discuss strategy. Why would you want that shared with someone who'll likely share it with his/her friend in the very guild you're trying to destroy?

Think it though - it's a socio-economic game today with some war elements for leveling up. Once pvp starts, that's very likely to shift to a war-based game with economic elements.

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Originally Posted by Hobknocker

Are you new to this type of game? Because that's valid guild behavior. I'll grant you, it's rather premature, considering that there's no formal timeline for pvp to even begin, let alone what it will exactly mean, or how it will work.

But if guild A expects to be at war with guild B, you'd be rather stupid to keep someone in your guild who knowingly fraternizes with someone from that rival guild. Guild chat can/will be used to discuss strategy. Why would you want that shared with someone who'll likely share it with his/her friend in the very guild you're trying to destroy?

Think it though - it's a socio-economic game today with some war elements for leveling up. Once pvp starts, that's very likely to shift to a war-based game with economic elements.

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Well she should talk with her own membewrs, not going to another guild's member and give them a hard time. That just as bad as stealing members. Think about it.

You're familiar with the expression, "All's fair in love and war?"

This ain't love.

Well the leader does bring somewhat a good point, but im sure there were other decisions to make other then to kick her out. But there is really nothing you can do about this unless the leader makes peace with the opposing Guild.

hey, don't bring me into this issue.

Don't know where these people are getting that there is going to be some large scale guild vs guild pvp in this game i'm almost sure there will not be.

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Originally Posted by Bobj

Don't know where these people are getting that there is going to be some large scale guild vs guild pvp in this game i'm almost sure there will not be.

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And your theories are based on just as much tangible evidence as everyone else's.

when you share the same IP address as the players involved Fushigi, we have every reason to suspect it's a multi-account. what was said was that we did not want someone with the same IP address to be in both guilds. beyond that we prefer to have some sort of proof that it's not the same person or we get leery because we do not want to have players all of a sudden go inactive because they were caught by BB for being a multi that was pushing. we just don't play that way and we expect our members to behave better than that.

if you have an issue with the removal of that player, you can take your criticism and shove it. KoA is not your guild. you have no voice there. we do not take gold from players to let them join, membership always has been and always will be free. acceptance into the guild doesn't mean that a player can do whatever they want once they are there. leaders have to make decisions based on what they believe to be in the best interest of the guild. having an officer of another guild with a possible alt, if not close friend in our guild is not something that we feel is trustworthy or right.

*edit: Also, feel free to take it up with customer support. I hope they laugh at your complaint ticket for wasting their time. However if they do look at the logs and decide that any other accounts with the same IP as yours have imbalanced trading then they may very well suspend those accounts and put strikes against your account and potentially ban your account as well.

anyone with common sense knows that logins to most sites have the IP attached to the login, this shouldn't come as a surprise since it is common sense. i still find it very amusing that your own IP fushigi is the same as these others and the complaint originates from you, not them posting on this forum.

Interesting story Fushigi. If the person I kicked had really wanted to stay in KoA he would have answered my many mails and whispers while he was online. I remember at least three mails and I've been trying to get this person to talk to me about it a few more than three times on whisper. Along with asking him to look at his whispers in guild chat.

When that didn't work I wrote as courteous a final mail as I could, to both my member and his friend. I must point out that when he joined KoA, since both their names were very similar I asked if they played in the same location and he told me they were in two separate locations and I just left it at that. I'll just assume I got it wrong because I don't have a log of that conversation with him.

As for the little character bashing I thought it was entertaining. I could understand that coming from Fushigi as since he's in Paladin House he doesn't like me much at all because all the members that knew me in that guild have slowly been coming over to KoA. This done all on their own without me once telling them to come over. The reason I made sure I NEVER once asked a PH member to jump ship is for this reason here. I knew that if I ever said anything to any of their members that I'd have to deal with this kind of drama. If you re-read the letter slowly Fushigi, you will see that I gave your member the choice between PH and KoA.

And last but not least. IP tracking???? Seriously?? Give your head a shake. I am the owner of our website and I have full admin rights. Of course I can see IPs sheesh.

[QUOTE=Aquila; If you re-read the letter slowly Fushigi, you will see that I gave your member the choice between PH and KoA.

and I thought you said you did NOT ask our members to change guilds. hmmmmm sure looks like you admitted it there.

*sigh* the world of gaming will never be free of drama for more than 6 hours. making personal attacks on a player is redonkulous fishigi (typo intended) so how bout you take a deep breath and climb back into your cage and quit complaining, it gets awfull old :)

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just wanted to include how much drama there is included in this game sickens me, the worst part is that over 1/2 of the drama i have been involved in it has been with you fishigi, no one can even hit eachother yet so with that being said i dont understand how there are so much hardfeelings with everyone, as for "stealing" members, i havnt seen this done ever, not to mention what benefit do you have by having members? a group of people to pass buffs and sell stuff a tid bit cheaper, oh and ofcoarse you all want your name at the top of the guild lists with the most members. where is perfection before quantity??

This is a lot of drama for a game.

Aquila, I am the reason my friend did not get back to you. I did not see the urgency or priority to respond in such quick fashion. Heck, PVP is not scheduled to come online until the end of the year. Your email to me, and I only received one, was two weeks ago. You got him all worked up because of your childish, immature behavior. And I feel responsible, because I told him to join your alliance. Yes same initial IP address, when he joined Castle Empire it was right here in this room on his laptop. So when he joined the website and the Castle Empire game it was right here where I joined. You jumped to conclusions and should have just relaxed. For Christ sakes, it is a game.

He is no longer in your guild and I am now happy for that; so I thank you.

Let us move on. And you know what, just play the game and remember it is a game.

Wow get over the IP thing already. Why is that such a big thing to you? It's not like I accused you of pushing. But I did say that I couldn't have people that close be in both guilds because I know come pvp we will be involved in some fights with Paladin House. If anything this stupid thread just proves my point.

I've been very nice in every single letter I've sent Kaleb and I've sent him a minimum of 3 all on the same subject with no reply from him at all. You are 100% correct I did only send "you" one letter because you were not my member. Your letter was a copy I sent to Kaleb with a few changes to make it more personal. Only reason I sent you one letter is because I was trying to avoid this circus while Kaleb was still in the guild. It is not my fault that Kaleb, your friend, did not tell you about all the mails I sent him. You'll have to deal with him on that issue. After all my mails were ignored, it wasn't so much an issue of the both of you being in opposing guilds as much as an issue of him ignoring mails from the leader of the guild. To me that's unacceptable. If he can't even answer messages from his guild leader he shouldn't be in the guild. I'm sorry but Kaleb did this to himself and he should stop trying to blame me for getting himself all worked up.

Just in case you didn't notice I'm not the one who started this thread. I was perfectly fine not saying a thing about any of this. Now, thanks to Fushigi, what went on with Kaleb has come out for the whole server to see.

Now please quit trying to make me look bad cause it's not working.

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Originally Posted by Fushigi

Those who complain about taking others away from guilds Wrote to one of my members "I received this mail from Aquila, I have to say I am thoroughly disappointed in this behavior. She kicked my friend from her alliance because I would not go to her alliance. It was either I come over there or I leave PH.

Do people in this game really like this person? She has many issues and needs to separate herself from this game and what real life is.

My friend will supply me with the mail she sent him. My friend and I play here at my house and joined the PH/KoA website from here. She has been tracking our

addresses and made some serious accusations which I plan on reporting to Ubisoft (not sure that will go anywhere).

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ORIGINAL MESSAGE FROM AQUILA:

Hi, I've been talking with ***** and he's told me he would contact you about which guild you both would like to stay in.

It will be almost a guarantee that KoA and PH will be into some pvp and I can not have the both of you in separate guilds.

You are definitly welcome to join our guild if you choose to and i woul dlike to keep _____ in KoA. But if you decide to stay with PH I will respect your decision.

I am only asking this because _____ was saying you are his buff partner and once pvp comes I will not be wanting the both of you to be in separate guild, especially not in a guild we may be attacking.

Let me know what you decide. You are welcome to join KoA.

Thank you

Aquila

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True, this seems a bit rushed but at the end of the day if you and your friend are really that close you should either join the same guild like Aquila suggested or make you own guild. No matter how you put it this would have had to come about eventually. It seems to me that kaleb was wrong here, especially after aquila's explanation.

For future reference you might want to keep these things private, disputes between player should be handled by only those players and not by the entire server. Anyway what were we supposed to do about it, even if we said Aquila was wrong it would not force her to change anything.

I want to thank the protagonists for another exciting episode of CEO drama.

True, the whole Talar thing kinda fizzled out there. Glad we had folks waiting in the wings to pick up the slack.

Now where's that thread from the guy who's getting ready to sue BB for his chat ban? Dang it! I need to bookmark more of these.

Also, note to self - buy more popcorn.

Yeah I doubt this will be the last episode of the KoA / PH Files. I believe we've been signed on for at least a year but there are talks of renewing the show to a second season already. So stay tuned and keep that popcorn going.

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Originally Posted by Aquila

Yeah I doubt this will be the last episode of the KoA / PH Files. I believe we've been signed on for at least a year but there are talks of renewing the show to a second season already.

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What network executive do I have to call to lobby to cancel this.

I just wanna say that I left PH on my own. I didnt feel like I was being helped enough, I didnt see anyone in the chat room that much and the whole time that I was with PH paladin_53 had only breifly talked to me on a couple of occasions. I don't think that I really have to explain myself, but maybe this will help your situation PH.. You might be losing members due to the lack of where the help lies and if help is elsewhere then thats where the people will roam. I was very happy with the way Aquila handles things and in my opinion.. she has great communications between players and the guild itself. Don't knock a person for trying and dang sure dont try to bring that person down on account of your own demise. Have some couth and respect for others! You only make yourself look bad by posting this for all to see, Fushigi!

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Originally Posted by Hobknocker

You're familiar with the expression, "All's fair in love and war?"

This ain't love.

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And it sure ain't War! As there is no PVP So making moves now for something that may never come is a little silly.

I was in PH before it split to become the two houses divided. Its like a bitter divorce. Luckily I still talk to those that would like to speak with me. I am in neither of these guilds now.

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Originally Posted by Greyjoy

And it sure ain't War! As there is no PVP So making moves now for something that may never come is a little silly.

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In short Kaleb was NOT booted because he had a very close friend in a guild that most likely will oppose us come PVP. He was booted for ignoring messages from his leader.

After weeks of sending him messages in three different areas of the game he still didn't reply.

What's the sense of having a guild member that doesn't reply to his leader, especially when the message indicates he might get taken out.

On the last message I made sure that he had just talked in guild chat and messaged him on guild chat, in a whisper and in a mail. So no one can say I never gave him a chance.

I like this idea: Just forget about it and plan some PvP strategy against PH or KoA

Just stop the bs and play the game lol we know its not real i hope.

Sigh

FireFork how are you able to see the ip address of another player? Perhaps you are looking at the 20.03.12 at the top left of the message box.. this is of course a date stamp European short format.