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Okay so this new adventure Surprise Attack, difficulty 6 for maximum 2 players costs 500 map frags.
At 3 frags a trip for your the explorer that's 166.6666,,,, so round that up to 167 trips.
For a medium search that works out to:
167 trips at 30 coins each is 5,010 coins
167 trips at 150 sausages each is 25,050 sausages.
Personally I think that is way to high.
Even for those adventures that cost half that much,,, it is still too high in my opinion.
What do you folks think??
Depends on the rewards you get for it. If it drops 5k coins and 25k sausages it might be worth it. *rofl*
(Yeah, like that'll happen. Adventures are probably set that high so no one will ever buy them.)
the thing to keep in mind about trading is both sides want something and hope to pay the least to get it, kinda like bidding on government jobs lol. but when a player is basically at the superstore like the treasure chest. its pay the price or don't. sure that means the buyer needs to consider the value and is it really worth it. caveat emptor "buyer beware" is apt. the prices are overly too high especially for the payouts from them, but the superstore as it were is more for the impatient customer that doesn't want to wait versus the one that hopes to get true value.
When the mentioned that they were adding new adventures to the map fragment menu, I got excited. Maybe they would make map frags more useful. IMO, they made them less useful and even more of a booby prize. I have been constantly sending my 3 explorers out since level 26, and I only recall buying maybe 2 or 3 times using map frags. I only have around 200 right now. I saw the values on test, and thought it was basically because they gave you 7,000 or 10,000 map frags, not that they were the actual values they were going to be on live servers. The cost of adventures via map frags is WAY too high.
the cost to send an explorer out searching for map frags is 10 and 50, so your totals are off but 1340 coins and 6700 sausage is still excessive
Adventures really need to be nerfed in cost, and increased in population numbers. Even if it makes it insanely easy. It would improve the quality of the comrodery in the game.
map frament returns from exploerers should be 20 per a trip at the min. (at current map prices)
and im a fan of the idea of another way to get frags (maybe have some bread, and sausage convert to get them in prov house)
Yes. The price of buying adventures with map frags is ridiculous! The developer have made certain that no one will be buying adventures with map frags (with the exception of The Black Knights)
Surprise Attack costs 500 Map Fragments. Minor details but I agree with you, the cost is very very high. But what else are you going to do with them?Quote:
Originally Posted by TeaTime
Thanks SirDet, i changed totals to reflect 500 map frag cost. :)
they should make the map frags found to be randomized. With a small chance of getting 50
That is for a short search, I used numbers for a Medium search.Quote:
Originally Posted by bergman2021
Na, its not excessive, it has to cost something, its one of the sink holes.
right, but then you aren't factoring in the increased amount of adventures found during those searches, which is obviously what you would buy with your map fragments, which would thus make your searches much more profitable....i'm not sure of the odds but even if its only 1 adventure every 10 searches on medium hunt, you would end up with approx 13 adventures to go with your map fragments which makes everything very even and worthwhileQuote:
Originally Posted by TeaTime
I always send mine on medium searches but I am not looking for map fragments. Map frags are the booby prize. In 167 searches I'd expect to find 15 to 20 adventures worth anywhere from 2000 coin (if you only find the cheap ones) to 5500 coin (if you find at least 2 of the expensive ones). Add the one you want to the list (Surprise Attack) that you buy with map fragments and here's what you have (approximately):
187 searches: 5610 coin and 28,050 sausages
16 to 21 Adventures worth anywhere from 3500 to 7000 coin.
Yes, obviously there is a risk that you get the cheapest adventures every single time and you're out about 2k coin. I haven't found that to be the case though. In my last 50 or so searches I've found 2 nords, 2 black nights, 2 secluded experiments, the other cheap ones, and of course, some map fragments.
It may seem like a bad deal, but if you're gonna talk about losses and profits you have to include everything you're receiving, not just the one thing you're hoping for.
The other piece of this discussion is that a failed adventure search always results in the prize of 3 map frags. For the short search, and 10g, that's about 3.3g/frag. But a medium search costs 30g, and now your frags are up to 10g each, (yeah, I'm ignoring the sausage costs, they make the searches more expensive).
At least with the treasure hunts, your explorer brings back more eggs for the longer, (i.e. more expensive), hunts. The value of a frag should remain consistent, (or even drop), as the search increases.
Frags, and even eggs to a degree, strike me as cool ideas that weren't well thought-out prior to implementation.
yeah, map frags are basically useless until you get enough of them and spend it on some adventure or a box so you just let your xplorers collect enough frags over a long time then use it (or do some trades).Quote:
Originally Posted by SirDet
and btw, this game requires a lot lot of patience.lol
10 and 30 coins respectively for short or medium hunts.Quote:
Originally Posted by bergman2021
Yes, but what about the 1 nords you get and sell for 1200g?
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Originally Posted by Hobknocker
If they want to raise the price of adventures I guess they have that right I have the right to play or not and for now I'm still playing, but not very happy with the "improvement's" that were made in the game with this update. The thing that urk's me is that they "said" they would be making frags more valuable and what they did was make them less valuable. I was saving the frags I would usually buy Outlaws with (40 frags each) To buy the newly available ones. Then I saw the prices of the new ones, and I was shocked, then I saw that the price of Outlaws had more than doubled! So yeah now I'm pissed.
that was 10 coins and 50 sausage sirroyQuote:
Originally Posted by SirRoy
The whole map fragments, cost of troops and commodities really needs to be reworked. It was long enough before, now it will take forever. Of course if the ratio of success on getting a quest versus failure is significantly increased then it is less "wasted" resources. Of course then the fragments really become meaningless. If the amounts are going to 500, or even 100 - 200 and you're only giving out 3 fragments that takes a lot of trips. Not everyone has 10 explorers to go search for fragments. I only have two, and finally have enough resources to afford another savage scout and "normal" one to bring me up to 4. Obviously it is trade offs, but there are finite resources. If 200 fragments are needed then randomize the amount of fragments found from 3 - 30, or else make it a flat 10 fragments (seriously 3 into 500, 200, never a round number).
Well the value of the adventures when you do find them helps make up for it alot. The main thing I have an issue with is that the low level searches (cheaper) give the same fragments as the expensive searches. I believe the map fragments from a failed search should be perportionate to the cost of searching or at least give it a random element to it.
Talar would know about sink holes. Going from costing 40 frags to 200 (outlaws for example) is a stupid change of scale. Another BB special. Get what you pay for I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikiel
Also keep in mind, you can get any adventure a few different ways now, including doing adv hunts and the random chest in trader. So if you get one of these adv's that requires a big amount of frags, you will benefit greatly!