Preventing Trade "HOLDERS"

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05-20-12 03:06 am
TeaTime

Preventing Trade "HOLDERS"

Okay , it seems the newest prank thing to do is to post trades every ten minutes and then hold all the traders requests and not accept or decline them at all, repeatedly , over and over and over every ten minutes for hours, this upsets a lot of folks and just keeps their stuff tied up for 8 hours untill it auto-deletes and returns it to them. Here is my suggestion to stop this
Set it up so that you can NOT post another trade until you accept or decline the previous trades sitting in your mail from the previous trade post.
That would eliminate this perpetual 10 minute posting and holding every ones resources up for 8 hours.
05-20-12 03:22 am
Entharion

The entire trading system is being reworked and will be implemented in an upcoming update. One of the changes will be that any trade posted will be auto-accepted as soon as someone offers to complete it. This will effectively stop the holding going on presently. So your rant is rather pointless.
05-20-12 03:47 am
TeaTime

well gee thanks Entharion for that information, where can I find it? I missed that somehow, somewhere
05-20-12 04:08 am
jcleaver

That sounds good; however I see a major downside for some. Let us say that I have a trade for 10 fish for 10 wood that for some reason is very popular. My storage fills up with wood. Any trade that is auto-accepted after that, and I lose 10 fish, but get no wood. The first thought is that one shouldn't offer a trade if that is a possibility. So, continuing this scenario, the trade ends after 10 minutes as usual. Now, players who haven't refreshed their trade tab still see the offer and accept the trade offer. Same thing happens.

What I would like to see is the same behavior as now, except to reduce the auto-decline to 10 minutes. I realize that some may put in a trade and then go off on an adventure where they won't see the emails; but it would be a small price to pay for equitable trading. It isn't like players can't check back every once in a while.
05-20-12 05:39 am
Hobknocker

@TeaTime - check the Developer Diary in the Developer's forum.

Here's the relevant text from the most recent diary. Note that it doesn't say anything about auto-accepting, so maybe Entharion can share with us where that information came from.

Quote:

New trade system
We will be updating the trade system, making it more user friendly.

The trade window will be removed from the regular chat window and get its own new space.
In the future, you can trade more items at once, and all non-limited items can be traded. This includes self-produced buffs like the fish plates. Trading amounts will no longer limited to 400 units and it will be possible to place multiple offers on the market simultaneously. In addition, the new trade system will offer more filtering and selection options.
05-20-12 10:52 am
TeaTime

Agreed Hobnocker, no validation for Etharion's comments until he shares where he got that information.
05-20-12 06:53 pm
Entharion

Quote:

Originally Posted by TeaTime

Agreed Hobnocker, no validation for Etharion's comments until he shares where he got that information.

http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/...Empire/5-3.jpg

The 'Buying' tab is selected. I see a message that reads: 'Transaction successful. Your new items have been added to your inventory.' Sounds pretty much instantaneous to me.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jcleaver

That sounds good; however I see a major downside for some. Let us say that I have a trade for 10 fish for 10 wood that for some reason is very popular. My storage fills up with wood. Any trade that is auto-accepted after that, and I lose 10 fish, but get no wood. The first thought is that one shouldn't offer a trade if that is a possibility. So, continuing this scenario, the trade ends after 10 minutes as usual. Now, players who haven't refreshed their trade tab still see the offer and accept the trade offer. Same thing happens.

Your point is valid, however, I don't think the devs will allow more than one response to any individual trade offer. The direct acceptance of trade offers, combined with "it will be possible to place multiple offers on the market simultaneously" suggests to me that each offer will be treated as a separate instance, and therefore only able to be completed one time.
05-21-12 04:42 am
Hobknocker

Quote:

The 'Buying' tab is selected. I see a message that reads: 'Transaction successful. Your new items have been added to your inventory.' Sounds pretty much instantaneous to me.

That could be, but that picture doesn't begin to show a workflow, just a snapshot in time. There's an "Accept offer" button beside that message, so who knows whether clicking that button with a highlighted offer instantly transfers the goods to your inventory, or merely sends an email trade off to the Seller, (as it does today), or causes some other behavior which still requires the Seller's involvement before your goods are traded.

Auto-accepting every trade offer from something I posted would be a bad idea. Just because I have 70k HWP in my inventory doesn't mean I want to sell 70K HWP when I offer to trade them for 15g.
05-21-12 06:14 am
Grandfather

I see you pic and would like to know how do I access that branch office window? I have a branch office and when I click on it the only option I have is to tear it down.
05-21-12 06:28 am
Hobknocker

That's a picture from an up-coming release. It's not currently available.

Read the Dev Diary thread in the Developer forum.
05-21-12 08:43 am
laRochelle

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hobknocker

Auto-accepting every trade offer from something I posted would be a bad idea. Just because I have 70k HWP in my inventory doesn't mean I want to sell 70K HWP when I offer to trade them for 15g.

This is obviously just speculation, but it looks like you can specify how many "lots" you would like to offer. So you'd put up your 400 hwp for 15g trade with 12 lots available, and thus no offers beyond the first 12 would be accepted. Maybe. Like I said, this is just speculation, with two screenshots to work with it's hard to say what the reality will be.

http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/...Empire/4-2.jpg
05-21-12 01:10 pm
Draxxon

Quote:

Originally Posted by TeaTime

Agreed Hobnocker, no validation for Etharion's comments until he shares where he got that information.

Entharion got his information from here:
http://forum.thesettlersonline.net/t...per-Diary-4-24
05-21-12 01:53 pm
Hobknocker

Quote:

Entharion got his information from here:

So what part of that thread says trades are auto-accepted?
05-21-12 08:38 pm
TeaTime

It doesn't say anything at all about auto -accepting in the devs diary but it DOES say

Quote:

This is a preview: The final design might differ!

So still just speculation and not validation.
05-22-12 10:29 pm
Lord_Striker

Quote:

Originally Posted by Entharion

http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/...Empire/5-3.jpg

Your point is valid, however, I don't think the devs will allow more than one response to any individual trade offer. The direct acceptance of trade offers, combined with "it will be possible to place multiple offers on the market simultaneously" suggests to me that each offer will be treated as a separate instance, and therefore only able to be completed one time.

That would be a nightmare.. imagine wanting to sell 20k fish and you setup a trade post.. the first person who takes you 1 stack of fish and your whole trade is done for 10 minutes?
05-26-12 05:30 am
UnicornRainbow

Looking at the pic Larochelle posted.......If you post a trade and specify 5 lots are available, those 5 lots will go to the first 5 that bid on them. There will no longer be an option to decline.
07-09-12 04:28 pm

Auto Accept is a really bad idea. Simple fix transactions expire in 30 minutes top.
07-11-12 01:12 pm
Jethro702

I really hope the holding gets fixed.. as I am typing this I have about 100 or so gold coins out in CEO world just floating arund... makes me real mad.
07-11-12 06:56 pm
Dovahkin341

Lol what I like is that if you notice in the "buying" window someone wants to trade settler for brew, obviously we might be able to do that which is a boon for those of us tied to our provision house or spending gems(bad idea) to get more settlers :)
07-26-12 01:34 am
Verdaeni

The autoaccept would not be a good thing. Frequently I am selling overages on something, but I need to reserve a great deal of it for my own use. Just because I am selling does not mean I wish to zero out the resource. Auto accept would cause huge problems, say I am selling beer, if it drained my supply without giving me control, I would not be able to make any troops. Saying I should do all that before trading becomes an insanely complex problem when you put all the things I need to do with all the resources together. On the other hand refusing to let them put in a new trade until they have accepted or declined their old ones would be both fairly easy to program and a simple neat solution to the problem as opposed to solution that creates worse problems then it solved.
07-26-12 03:53 am
EpsilonSilver

I see settlers there. It will be nice if we can buy them.
08-18-12 02:32 am
Zynnia7277

I trade very late at night. I wait after I make a deal before I head off to bed, but some people are quite slow in their response. I am not going to sit around for any longer than 10-15 minutes. If people have to wait I am sorry, but if you have a trade up...you should pay attention.
09-09-12 01:08 am
Entharion

The new trade system is now live on test server (tsotesting.com)

As I originally suspected, accepting an offer does indeed transfer the goods right away, so I rest my case.

Also, there is no way to deplete the seller's inventory unless they (sellers) add enough sale lots to do so. It's win/win (unless you're a "holder" or pre-seller. :P)