"Prices"

I have seen an increasing number of "doom and gloom" players saying "greed" or "changing prices" are killing the economy, so here is a look at what prices have seemed to have done in the past 2 months or so. any opinions?

Pinewood logs - steady
Pinewood Planks- steady
Stone - steady
Fish - steady
Coal - steady
Copper - slight gain
Bronze Bars - slight drop
Tools - slight drop
Wheat - steady
Water - steady
Flour - steady
Brew - slight rise
Bread - steady
Bronze swords - slight drop
Bows -slight drop
Hardwood logs - falling
Hardwood Planks - steady
marble - slight drop
Iron ore - steady
Iron bars - falling
Steel Bars - falling
Gold ore - rising
Gold Bars - rising
Meat - steady
Sausage - steady
longbows - falling
Horses - slight drop
Iron swords - falling
Steel swords - falling
Exotic Logs - falling
Exotic Planks - falling
Granite - steady
titanium ore - steady
titanium bars - steady
salt peter - slight drop
Damascene swords - falling
Crossbows - falling
Cannons - falling
Map fragments - slight rise
Gems - Rising

And Advs:
HB - rising
Wots - steady
DP - steady
SFTR - steady
IOTP - rising

Traitors - Rising
Outlaws - Rising
Sons of the Veld - Lol
VTV - Slightly Rising
Motherly Love - Steady
Old friends - Steady

BK - Rising
Nords - Rising
DB - slightly falling
SE - lol

Lootspots:
Dp - slightly falling
Sftr - slightly falling
VtV - ~
ML - ~
Nords - steady
BK - Falling
RB - slightly falling
DB - steady

I see a pattern in the weapons -- other than bows and bswords, the prices are plummeting.
http://forum.thesettlersonline.net/t...ing-Heavy-Arms

I think we need a 3-tier barracks -- for Intermediate / Advanced / Expert troops to train simultaniously.
Recruits are 3m for 40HP, Militia are 8m for 60HP and Soldiers are 12m for 90HP.
Militia should have been 4m30s and soldiers 6m45s. Militia and Soldiers take twice as long to train as they should (Biggest current problem with the economy).
Training times can stay the same -- if they let you train more than one type in parallel.

I think the SoV and SE adventures obviously need some tweaks.

If you're tackling the whole economy, you need to deal with coins -- and there's nothing for players to spend coins on. After you upgrade to lv4 -- you're in a granite world, and coins mean nothing. Beyond the 30gc for each explorer adventure search, you can't buy anything. The only item in the shop available for coins is the counterfeit membership. It hasn't happened yet, but demand for coins will eventually fall off considerably -- and as Zeus evolves, this should start happening soon. I like the idea of provisioning super-buffs, depos or mercenaries to try and increase demand for coins. Coin hurries on barracks training, or building construction would also work.

i think the stockpiling of coins by high levels is all that is keeping them from falling off. We have already seen coins collapse in comparison to gems, but heavy weaps....

The primary riser(s) have been either gold chain related or advs that benefited from new pathing or an influx of higher levels.

Primary fallers have been resources that are collected in high advs (and with some lag, the lootspots too, and in a few more months, probably the adv prices too), with the exception of granite due to it being THE END resource of the game.

i like the lol next to sov they need to just get rid of that adventure IMO

Someone should do a daily stock report on the commodities in game. They could give news on new updates like the one coming and speculate on the prices in the market. Heck you couldn't screw it up anymore than those jokers on cable tv.

Main problem for an advancing economy versus a declining one? The proliferation of mid to high end production items as adventure rewards. Easier and cheaper to obtain in adventures, nullifying most of the high end production items.

In the end most high level production just goes to basic commodities

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Originally Posted by royalpayne

i like the lol next to sov they need to just get rid of that adventure IMO

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http://forum.thesettlersonline.com/t...l=1#post189546

check out this guide, actually makes SotV more worth while if you do block its great :-)

You will find the more people progress into the game and do more adventure there is no need to buy things like steel/iron swords... i found myself taking down my buildings for them as i was stock piling from loot and still enough to sell on TT.
Also people tend to use xbows instead of longbows as they lvl up. But yes some of the adventures do need tweeking or maybe stick some new ones in for us to have a crack at pls Devs hint hint hint :-))

If you look at sources of supply and demand for all the products -- you see why the prices keep moving the way they do.

You see high demand for Bread, Brew, and Bronze swords -- for troops ( the quest for XP )
Building materials are always required for rebuilding mines and fields -- coal is needed in the gold and weapons

There are also licence-intesnive products -- the wheat and the pine logs being the worst offenders -- which limits supply and helps stabilize prices

There are also a lot of products that can't profit from basket buffs because the prices of the product are so low or production times are too long ( water, fish, farms, pine, flour, breweries ) -- which causes prices to stabilize because of limited supply.

It's mainly the heavy weapons that are broken because there is zero demand (XP / hr is horrible). The rest of the economy is balanced reasonably well.

The buildings are really expensive -- which should limit supply. However, the adventures have become pretty simple, and the looted weapons have flooded the market.

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Originally Posted by traderofstuff

Someone should do a daily stock report on the commodities in game. They could give news on new updates like the one coming and speculate on the prices in the market. Heck you couldn't screw it up anymore than those jokers on cable tv.

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There is already one:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...GZjE3ZkE#gid=3

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Originally Posted by LadyyLushyy

http://forum.thesettlersonline.com/t...l=1#post189546

check out this guide, actually makes SotV more worth while if you do block its great :-)

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If you really like to block, you can reduce the losses further (and they are all advanced blocks, so no cooldown waiting if you have enough generals). However, it uses cannons.

http://forum.thesettlersonline.net/t...0-Les_N-Guides

And the price movement is going to be obsolete now that new trade system is out, and hard to predict if existing trends will still occur, be cancelled out by something, or be exacerbated.

If you really want the prices to balance out, or in my preference return to normal (pre roll back time), it is simple. The good ole boycott system will still work if enough ppl get on board. It's all about supply and demand simple economics people. Sure the basic supplies may be needed daily and hard to pass up but it's a matter of discipline or dealing with the current economy and hoping it fixes itself. I think more of the shock and awe atm is based on the resent gift package and new trade system. Everyone was just a little over excited about having gems, and gifts that many aren't use to and so therefore have flooded the economy with ridiculous prices. Once we give this a few more days (hopefully will not take much longer) ppl will run out of the gems/gifts and u should see prices return to fairly normal.

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Originally Posted by Draconus2004

i think the stockpiling of coins by high levels is all that is keeping them from falling off.

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You can't see another players coins when you visit them, nor can you readily believe what another player says about his inventory.
You speculate without factual support.
For this to be accepted as accurate you would need to provide references.

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Originally Posted by Smurdley

There is already one:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...GZjE3ZkE#gid=3

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this is the one for the newfoundland server. anyone have the link for the zeus server one? i lost it when my comp crashed

Our guild keeps our own running market analysis spreadsheet. Makes life simple for both in guild trading discounts as well as for a quick glance at what someone in the market is asking. I would be surprised if other guilds do not do the same.

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