11111 vs 1111 scam and 21111

Hopefully they will add commas to the number system in trade so that this wont be a issue soon. But for now it is. and I feel that I need to post a few screen shots.

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto...32182109_o.jpg
http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto...32182109_o.jpg
11111 is a bit shorter than 4 digit numbers that don't have 1's in them


http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto...21004758_o.jpg
http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto...21004758_o.jpg
Notice how much shorter 11111 appears to be than the 10000 right above it


Here are 2 examples of 21111
http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto...49780040_o.jpg
http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto...49780040_o.jpg


http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto...72257247_o.jpg
http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto...72257247_o.jpg

Not sure if taking advantage of people who don't pay attention is a scam, but I guess you could call it that.

funny how so many people call it a scam when the price is right in front of you. Its amazing how many people cant tell the difference between a 4 digit number and a 5 digit number. I think those people should quit this game and go back to the 3rd grade to complete it. BTW its not a scam when you can cleary see the asking price in front of your face

So would you be happy if I called it a misleading post.
Also by your logic reverse trading was also not a scam.

scam - definition
1. A fraudulent business scheme; a swindle.
2. A fraudulent or deceptive act or operation
3. A confidence game or other fraudulent scheme, especially for making a quick profit; swindle.

I think it fits pretty well, don't you?

misleading post no and definitely not a scam. Its stated clearly how much the asking price for. To me and my own opinion is its someone who is asking a certain price, a higher price then normal but in no way a scam or misleading. There isnt a hidden cost or anything like that. Its right in front of us how much a person wants. No matter if it is a lower price then normal or higher. In real life if you see something that you consider high you dont buy it, the same principle applies to here. A scam would be someone selling you something on here like a loot spot, you pay for something with the promise of something in return for it and never get it, thats a scam and misleading. What you are talking about is people not paying attention to there actions which is there own fault if they dont like the aftermath of there mistake.

If you need I'll post the definitions of fraudulent and swindle as well, but since you are clearly past 3rd grade i don't think I should have to.

And YES by definition it is a SCAM.

lol its amazes me how people like you and others consider something a scam when the price is right in front of you with NO hidden cost. People choose to buy something, just because it is priced higher then your liking doesnt make it a scam. If some was priced 111 I bet you wouldnt complain and spend countless hours making threads about it. It isnt a scam, just people crying cause it doesnt suit there liking. The price is stated in every trade and its clear how much they are asking for.

I'd hate to be a new member in their guild. They wouldn't know to not trust half the EMP members.

EMP has taken over the spot from VIP3 as the guild to avoid, with a complete lack of integrity approved and lauded by their guild leader.

BTW if anyone needs a tunnel dug, EMP clearly enjoys creating and taking the low road.

the point is that it's an exploit of the trading font used and lack of commas. it's no accident to use the 1's to try and make your trade look so much different than what it is. if you wanted 20000, 21000, 22000 for something then post it that way. when you look down a column of 2000-3000 then see what looks like 2111 because it is virtually the same width you are lead to believe its not 10 times that.

exploit: to make use of meanly or unfairly for one's own advantage.

scam: a fraudulent or deceptive act or operation.

you wouldnt have to worry since i dont take new members. My guild has been together for over 3 years on online games and have always come out ahead. Keep crying and whining and when pvp comes then you can cry about that. The difference between my guild and others is we dont jump ship and have more determination then anyone else. We dont spend hours looking at trades and whining then make silly threads cause you cant read correctly, we continue to level up and improve. My views wont change, I dont care about other guilds or what children like you say. Bad mouth us all you want we dont care, we laugh at people like you.

Hey there saltypanda...Happy Birthday by the way. Nice screen shots, kind of small, so I had to zoom on them to see anything. Oh, wait that is probably what people should have done before buying at the 'numeros unos' posted. There is another way of posting prices too, since we are talking strategies to use the prices posted to one's own advantage...You can post a price a .99 below the price you really want so people will more likely buy and think they save money whereas in fact they only save one cent (example, 299.99 instead of 300). Ok, there panda...Enjoy your B'day.
Draconus, nothing to say really...Oh no wait, one thing...Do us a favor and keep complaining about us...It actually helps us advertise for our guild!

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Originally Posted by Draconus2004

I'd hate to be a new member in their guild. They wouldn't know to not trust half the EMP members.

EMP has taken over the spot from VIP3 as the guild to avoid, with a complete lack of integrity approved and lauded by their guild leader.

BTW if anyone needs a tunnel dug, EMP clearly enjoys creating and taking the low road.

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I would hate to be in a guild where someone tries to dictate my prices in a trade on this game such as your own Draconus2004 and ofcoarse you also SaltyPandaTea. Salty how many times have you jumped me about my prices? I bet you have done this alot to other players. When I mentioned one of your own members was posting a 11111 trade you went frantically searching for them probably to boot them. OMG! So funny!!!
Without free trade this game would be alot less fun. We need PVP soon I agree!!!!!!

Good grief people look at the trades. 90 percent of them 90 percent of the time are overpriced. You just pick on me because I can stir your pots with something so easily. Thx for the fun guys:).

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Originally Posted by WTF692011

I would hate to be in a guild where someone tries to dictates my prices in a trade on this game such as your own Draconus2004 and ofcoarse you also SaltyPandaTea. Salty how many times have you jumped me about my prices? I bet you have done this alot to other players. When I mentioned one of your on members was posting a 11111 trade you went frantically searching for them probably to boot them. OMG! So funny!!!
Without free trade this game would be alot less fun. We need PVP soon I agree!!!!!!

Good grief people look at the trades. 90 percent of them 90 percent of the time are overpriced. You just pick on me because I can stir your pots with something so easily. Thx for the fun guys:).

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PVP will be most likly on a Different Server... And well, if you know your trying to scam people... why continue to do it??? or are you that desprete?

Do you belive in everything that you see? 1111 21111 2211 1122 2121 1212 212 111 221 112 11 22 12 21 2 1
It is not scam.

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Originally Posted by RomanGodCamper

PVP will be most likly on a Different Server... And well, if you know your trying to scam people... why continue to do it??? or are you that desprete?

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If you truly believe that then I'm glad I can be your main topic of the day or week or whatever your heart desires.

Also I hope you are just scamming me about PVP NOT coming to this sever. If you are speaking facts and not just making it up in your own mind. Where did you see this information about NO PVP?

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Originally Posted by Draconus2004

I'd hate to be a new member in their guild. They wouldn't know to not trust half the EMP members.

EMP has taken over the spot from VIP3 as the guild to avoid, with a complete lack of integrity approved and lauded by their guild leader.

BTW if anyone needs a tunnel dug, EMP clearly enjoys creating and taking the low road.

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whoa! where you get off slamming my guild? name one bad trader in my guild! name one person who has done you wrong, or caused any real issues from my guild! if you cant, then you need to keep your trap shut! i know you like to hate on people, and nay say, but this is crossing the line, going after my guild like its some kinda blemish to be in it, my guild is just fine, good people, no scammers, whats so special about your guild that you think you can look down on us with your high and mighty nonsense?

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Originally Posted by WTF692011

If you truly believe that then I'm glad I can be your main topic of the day or week or whatever your heart desires.

Also I hope you are just scamming me about PVP NOT coming to this sever. If you are speaking facts and not just making it up in your own mind. Where did you see this information about NO PVP?

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no pvp on zues? why did i buy all thos gems for the pvp that was promised to me and everyone?

WTF692011, dont listen to him he obviously like to see his own name in fourms and doesnt care what he says to see it here

TBH this entire thread is retarted, Panda you need to walk away and quit trying to make something out of nothing.
Nobody who has put in the time and effort or money, or anything required to HAVE 21K is going to buy random junk without LOOKING at the price. This entire thread is a waste of everyones time, end of story, take the fighting elsewhere.

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Originally Posted by WTF692011

If you truly believe that then I'm glad I can be your main topic of the day or week or whatever your heart desires.

Also I hope you are just scamming me about PVP NOT coming to this sever. If you are speaking facts and not just making it up in your own mind. Where did you see this information about NO PVP?

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I was talking about it Directly to BB_DXTed and to BB_MrGrimm about it.. think it was a month or two ago. They simply told me that they were going to make PVP on a Different server completly unless they changed there minds about it. I honestly dont know.

i agree with saltyPanda that these traders in the office are practically scammers and unprofessions. Perhaps it is possible for a BB to make sure that these items aren't overpriced so much otherwise those people should get a ban on the trade office. How many of you agree?

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Originally Posted by Feralcaw

TBH this entire thread is retarted, Panda you need to walk away and quit trying to make something out of nothing.
Nobody who has put in the time and effort or money, or anything required to HAVE 21K is going to buy random junk without LOOKING at the price. This entire thread is a waste of everyones time, end of story, take the fighting elsewhere.

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i argue on the counter a lot of people who have 21,111 gc probably play at times in the early morning hours and might make a mistake. dunno if that has happened, but i know i sure have screwed up a 2am advanced block before. why not extend such a fail to the trade office? people are fallible, or else they would not list it at 11,111

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Originally Posted by Draconus2004

i argue on the counter a lot of people who have 21,111 gc probably play at times in the early morning hours and might make a mistake. dunno if that has happened, but i know i sure have screwed up a 2am advanced block before. why not extend such a fail to the trade office? people are fallible, or else they would not list it at 11,111

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cant sleep? get a hobby, a dog, a life!
call 1-800 -haha @ you

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Originally Posted by RomanGodCamper

I was talking about it Directly to BB_DXTed and to BB_MrGrimm about it.. think it was a month or two ago. They simply told me that they were going to make PVP on a Different server completly unless they changed there minds about it. I honestly dont know.

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i want a screen shot of this conversation.
either this is proven untrue or i want all the real cash back that i have invested in a game i was told would have pvp

Draconus2004 what is so wrong with VIP3 i know they dont dictate what you can trade items for all they do is ask that you dont ask for someone in a guild to pay as in my guild

BB wouldn't tell him anything, much like they don't tell anyone anything.

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Nice screen shots, kind of small, so I had to zoom on them to see anything.

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You did see that there is a link below every image for you to click and get a bigger version?

Honestly, this topic isn't worth me expending more than one post since we're all just stating opinions, so here it is fwiw.

Since i see this kind of trade repeatedly from the same people and 11,111 gc etc. is a slight bit much for anything on trade, it is clear to me that these repeated trades by the same people are indeed an attempt to just catch the unwary. Simple as that.

People simply feel differently about the issue. I personally don't see that it is a scam. You see the price and you have the time to decide whether you'll buy it. It's not like someone putting a gun to your head and asking you to accept the offer. If you are too hurry to look at the item twice before clicking "accept offer", you are to be blamed, not the seller.
People are free to set the price, intentionally or mistakenly,to what they feel it's worth, aren't they? If someone has his price much lower than market price by mistake, you luckily see and buy it, then the seller finds out, can he blame you? Apparently not since he was able to check whether he made the correct price after putting it up for sale. It's at your discretion to give him the difference, right? Similarly, if you mistakenly buy something you don't want, it's up to the seller to take the item back or refund you, but you can't blame him either for selling it too high.
People honestly just need an, maybe two, extra second(s) to double check and show some care to their hard-earned money.

Honestly is a moot point all together, or will be shortly, if you go to the test server they've added commas, and changed the fount in trade. Making it much clearer.

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Originally Posted by SaltyPandaTea

Honestly is a moot point all together, or will be shortly, if you go to the test server they've added commas, and changed the fount in trade. Making it much clearer.

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Hey great now maybe you could go there and play and save money on those new eyeglasses you are in need of:).

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Originally Posted by WTF692011

Hey great now maybe you could go there and play and save money on those new eyeglasses you are in need of:).

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dont worry people like this will always find something to cry about. Im sure we will see a new thread in a day or 2 hahahah

sorry salty...you 'little' jpgs did not cut it lol

I lack the words to describe how disappointed I am in the people who post the 11111 trades, and in those who back them.

Nice to see so many people lack the ability to earn gold (or money honestly). I presume if i left my car unlocked, it would also my fault when you steal my gps and pawn it to pay your rent. For a while this game had a bit higher morality standards then most others i had encountered. Looks like that is declining. The point is it is clearly dishonest and an attempt to prey on the mistakes of others.

As for Natkda's comment earlier - some people are career driven and might commonly put in a 90 hour week. 2 am is not that foreign then.

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Originally Posted by umpert4

i agree with saltyPanda that these traders in the office are practically scammers and unprofessions. Perhaps it is possible for a BB to make sure that these items aren't overpriced so much otherwise those people should get a ban on the trade office. How many of you agree?

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Wow.. be careful what you wish for. The only way that this should be changed is to make each digit take up the same amount of space so the numbers look as big as they are. That said, if people do not take the time to verify the trade that is RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEM, that is on them. This is not a scam, count the freaking digits. Most of us should be able to do that without taking our shoes off. Calling for regulation or bans for this is ridiculous, I disagree and people need to take responsibility for what they do.. jeez people :(.

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Originally Posted by Draconus2004

Nice to see so many people lack the ability to earn gold (or money honestly). I presume if i left my car unlocked, it would also my fault when you steal my gps and pawn it to pay your rent. For a while this game had a bit higher morality standards then most others i had encountered. Looks like that is declining. The point is it is clearly dishonest and an attempt to prey on the mistakes of others.

As for Natkda's comment earlier - some people are career driven and might commonly put in a 90 hour week. 2 am is not that foreign then.

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Draconus stealing your GPS would be a totally different thing although I don't recommend leaving your doors unlocked to test everyone's honesty. On the other hand if you told me you would give me $11111 I would gladly sell you my old GPS and not feel bad about you buying something from me that is only worth $111. See the difference? Plus it is easy to stir your pot. Same with Salty. You guys just can't admit you are a couple of screw ups and that is funny to see how you insist on blaming everyone else but yourselves for being at fault and will go on and on and on to make yourselves look more and more like idiots.
The moral is not declining in this game just because you screwed up and instead of asking someone kindly. Hey I screwed up, can you reverse that trade because I was having a blonde moment? All you can do is write threat mails about it and start calling people scam artist and thieves. Maybe next time you make a bad trade you will have learned a lesson not only to read what you are buying but not to be so quick to blow your spouts off with threats and posts. I hope its a lesson learned for both of you. On second thought....... which one of you guys bought the same thing twice? You might need an instructor to guide you. LMAO!!!!

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Originally Posted by SaltyPandaTea

I lack the words to describe how disappointed I am in the people who post the 11111 trades, and in those who back them.

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good thing we dont care about you, your thoughts or your opinion lol.

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Originally Posted by Draconus2004

Nice to see so many people lack the ability to earn gold (or money honestly). I presume if i left my car unlocked, it would also my fault when you steal my gps and pawn it to pay your rent. For a while this game had a bit higher morality standards then most others i had encountered. Looks like that is declining. The point is it is clearly dishonest and an attempt to prey on the mistakes of others.

As for Natkda's comment earlier - some people are career driven and might commonly put in a 90 hour week. 2 am is not that foreign then.

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cant wai't till pvp, also thanks for the times your online =))

I'm not sure who bought it. I noticed it was a scam right away. Still, I have some compassion for whatever fool fell for it.

Natkda, If i commonly have to stay up late and get up early working on crap, I have greater deviation then most on when I am online. My guess is pvp wont be attacking someone's island while they are asleep. That type of gameplay tends to drive to many to burn out fast. It will be something similiar to an extra-island that u fight over from a "treasure hunt discovery". How many pvp "advs" of the same type u find could determine how many troops u get to send to it if they follow the format presented by the removed icons.

I might also counter if your guild makes yourselves pariah's for to many, you may be subject to excessive griefing (if the pvp format allows it).

I truely doubt we attack each others home islands. Destroy the island of a 6 month player and they will quit the next day half the time.

The best pvp has significant rewards, but does not cripple the loser.

I agree with the OP. Bishop21, have you ever heard the saying "Better the World Think You a Fool than to Open Your Mouth and Prove It Right."

Well, you just proved it right.