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Originally Posted by Falconwolf
Everytime I see you post i just laugh at you, speaking the same nonsense about morality. You act like you are above everyone else in this game but in reality you are nothing more then alot of talk and a joke to me. So keep acting all high and mighty trying to impress others, some might even buy into your hot air but I will continue to laugh at you along with my guild.
Dude, do a google search for "bank error doubles paycheck" and you will see it's not rare that this happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by WTF692011
But the personal attack is against the rules here in the forums...can a mod take care of this please! This isn't the first time WTF692011 resorts to personal attacks. Instead why not try arguing the facts?
You see what you want to see, others will actually see the truth and not read into what I am saying just to make themselves feel better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bishop21
I think what Falconwolf said is correct - that just because this is an online transaction in an online game does not mean that ethical behaviour does not apply. We don't get to pick and choose when to act correctly. Either the conduct is ethical or it is not. At law in every common-law country, what strongME did is called is "non est factum". That means it was "not my deed". He did not intend the contract - there was a fundamental mistake. While the rules of the game allowed an instantaneous transfer of the goods, the contract was void ab initio because of that mistake and the goods should have been returned when the mistake was discovered and communicated to the other side. I can pretty much guarantee that in the so-called Real World (as if this isn't) a judge would say that the goods must be returned or damages paid. I'm saddened that ppl wd think it somehow right to take advantage of such a mistake and that some of you apparently think that morality is nonsense.
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Originally Posted by Falconwolf
I'm impressed by Falconwolf & zelwig's sense of morality.
I hope you never make any mistakes because your karma is getting worse, post after post.
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Originally Posted by Bishop21
Banks do it ALLLLL the time. I used to work in Cash Management.
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Originally Posted by WTF692011
If that is true and you know it happens ALLLLL the time because you use to work in Cash Management at such a place. It is very easy to understand why you don't work that job anymore. Good thing that bank has such honest costumers like Falcon there to return their money when they keep handing out those double payouts he keeps getting. Good grief!!! lolQuote:
Originally Posted by AtomicKitten
ignoring your sarcasm...yes I did return the double payout...everytime! I know that's not something you can understand, but life is full of mysteries isn't it!Quote:
Originally Posted by WTF692011
I find this thread highly amusing. Please...continue.
Uhh ACTUALLY... I worked in RECONCILING *other* people's mistakes ya half wit. The fact that you can't conceive the role of Cash Management speaks volumes.
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Originally Posted by WTF692011
Given watermill is 2.5k and 50k bread is 1250, im not overly sorry about this experience of yours. You screwed up, and someone else took advantage. They might be in the wrong, but your deal was a bit sktechy as well. I have a hard time wondering at prices when things like this occur: taking advantage of stupidity of the masses trying to dump an item given out.
Question, how long did you wait till you sent the 2nd mail? Could LadyEm maybe not have been online when you sent it? Did you wait only 10 min or so, then got upset? Or did you wait 24 hours? Not everyone is on the game every second of the day you know. Maybe she got the trade then went afk for a few hours?
I didnt realy wait very long time. I sent my second mail after i talked to BB_xTed and i didnt thread or say something wrong. I told her i will wait untill tonight or morning and i got respond right away. She tried to ignore me. If she didnt respond my second mail i would wait until next morning. I already send mail to support team and hopping they take care of this issue with nice manner. I want her understand not playing or living cheapy. Please ask her to post here my first mail. Why is not she post it? Where is my nasty and threadining mail. She cannt because there is no such mail that i sent.Quote:
Originally Posted by vangarion
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Originally Posted by Draconus2004
I didnt know you are the market price maker Draconus. Right now everyone get 1 watermill as a gift and if you look at the price people are selling tehir mills 1800-1900 gc. I offer 50k bread for that if they dont want to trade that is fine i do not force anyone to buy but if someone interested in for this trade they can take. This is not "taking advantage of stupidity of .." this is taking advantage of mis clicking mistake"....
So you say she ignored you, BUT she responded right away once she came back? Interesting...
Not interesting. Irrelevant.
this entire thread is irrelevant. strongME made a rather idiotic mistake while posting in trade, ladyEm saw the post and jumped on it as many players would have done. ladyEm has broken no rules here, she is fully within her rights to keep the wheat she gained (or sell it for that matter). strongME, my sympathy to you, pay better attention from now on when you post trades and this wont happen to you again.
all tht said, plz drop the subject already, tbh im gettin rather sick of seein this thread popin up daily when i check the forum's new posts
I trade pretty frequently, and once posted 4 stacks of 1400 granite at 1000 gold rather than the reverse. I realized when 2 of the 4 trades sold out basically immediately, and at least managed to cancel before the 4th stack sold.
What did I do? Nothing. It was my mistake and the people who were looking to buy granite benefited. It would have been nice of them to contact me and ask if it was a mistake - none of them did, but to be honest if they had contacted me I wouldn't have traded back. I take responsibility for my mistakes.
The trick is to learn from it. I now quadruple check my trades - I confirm that I have the right resource and amount in "buying," the right resource and amount in "selling," and then I check both again before posting. Then I do a check AFTER it's posted so I can cancel quickly if need be.
Yeah it was a costly mistake, but if it's the only time I make that mistake it's no big deal in the long run.
Oh dupid is as dupid does - get over it!!
NEXT
New Dupid Rule: If a player does something dupid and wants to be rewarded for doing it and wants everyone to know how dupid they really are by posting about it - they will henceforth be known as doubly dupid.
get a clue: None of this is real!! This is not my real name - that is not your real name - the so-called bread isn't real - there's nothing tangible here!! lol
the most important thing here is to be able to learn from our mistakes and even those aren't real - lol - or else we're all mass murders!!
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^cept it was bread if im not mistakenQuote:
Originally Posted by LostSoul913
I think you are taking this a bit too far, you were not scammed since you posted an incorrect trade. We have all made the same mistake at some time & I honestly cannot blame anyone grabbing the goods if they see them for a low price & support should not be getting involved since it was player error instead of a game fault.
Take it as a lesson learned as the rest of us have from our own mistakes & move on from it, LadyEm has done nothing wrong so stop blaming others for your own mistakes.
It wasn't a low price it was 50k bread for 1 stone...that's an outrageous deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by FieryEmber
If you see that posted you know it's a mistake, so if you take the trade you are taking advantage of a mistake, in legal terms it could be referred to as theft...I think a lawyer actually posted in this thread earlier with actual law....yes, if it were real world...but morality doesn't stop just because it's a game, I mean after all baseball players, hockey players etc. all have moral standards they must adhere to while playing their game, so why are moral standards supposed to stop for a game like this?
Learn how to post a trade retard ... hope you dont work from home ... on your computer !!!
How do you make that kind of a "mistake" anyway? When I make deals like that in the TO I double and triple check them. I wouldn't be surprised if it was accidently done on purpose just to start a big controversial idiotic stupid waste of time thread in the forums for everyone to get all hot and bothered about and give the OP some much needed attention, while at the same time shaming some poor person who doesn't deserve it. Most of us would have been too embarrassed to say anything about making such a dumb mistake, especially over 50k bread. And I don't believe a mod gets involved and tells you to email the company , like oh they are going to ban the person...lol you are full of it. This whole thing plays out like you are a little kid. Grow up , go play a different game, we don't need this kind of nonsense here.
i accidently sent 50 recuits in sons instead of calvary to take out the first strike
then my following wave with 172 xbow got wiped ohh did i say im a dmbazz out loud
if they fix that maby they can help me to good luck
So we don't need this kind of nonsense but you are perfectly fine with everyone taking advantage of everyone else, of everyone backstabbing everyone and stealing from everyone?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kvasir
can BB lock this pls? enough has been said, its just turning into an arguement on who is right an who is wrong....
agreed...and I've had to report some posts for their violation of forum rules...but this is Sunday night and all BB are likely asleep.Quote:
Originally Posted by AtomicSoldier
I doubt it will get locked till sometime early monday morning.
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Originally Posted by AtomicSoldier
Way I see it...
1. StrongMe made an honest mistake posting 50k bread for 1 stone instead of 1 watermill.
2. She wasn't putting up that outrageous an offer for watermills if both sides are happy with the deal then it is a fair and equitable transaction. (I picked up a dozen of them for 1500-1700 coins which is lower than they normally sell for but supply had gone up which sent prices spiraling down).
3. LadyEm saw a good trade and so accepted it (we all would have done this, people quit and give away their resources all the time). However in this instance both parties were not happy with the transaction since StrongMe made a mistake and did not really seek 1 stone for 50k bread.
4. After finding out that StrongMe had indeed made a mistake and decided to zealously seek to correct it in any way s/he could in order to avoid a set back (this was done through a threat of reporting), LadyEm decided to use this as justification for keeping the bread instead of taking the high road and being the bigger person.
5. StrongMe will recover from this incident, but LadyEm (having done nothing illegal) will take a hit to her reputation since we all expect people to conduct themselves with the highest standards of honesty, integrity, and fairness doing nothing that is either illegal or unethical because no one wants to deal with someone who is untrustworthy and who we fear won't give us a fair trade.
6. It should be common practice to treat others as you would like to be treated. It's exactly like the scenario where you are given too much change when purchasing an item, you can keep it or you can give it back because that is the right thing to do and if you had made the same mistake you would expect the person to whom you gave the extra money to give it back.
Final Thoughts - LadyEm, forgive strongme, send the resources back and accept strongme's sincerest apology for being unable to convey his/her thoughts in a kinder way that was easier for you to understand. Strongme doesn't seem to be the most capable English writer but if we were speaking his/her language we would likely make many faux pas ourselves. I'm sure you are a good person and want to be known as fair and just, as slow to anger and quick to forgive. In forgiving and returning the resources, especially with strongme's threat, you will show yourself to be an exceptional individual who is worthy of all our admiration.
Cheers,
Falcian
P.S. Sorry about the length I hadn't expected to write so much when I first began this post.
dude i have posted a hundred dumb trades like you did, every time it was nabbed, sometimes by a friend keeping me from being stupid, this is your own fault that you lost your bread, seriously quit whining
royalpayne, was it right for you to lose out on those trades? Would you have told the person to keep the resources because they deserved them for taking advantage of your foolishness? Should we operate under the premise that taking advantage of others is acceptable behavior?
You know I got to say they are both wrong/right. Any of us would like for the player who accepted to give us our stuff back, yes it is a mistake. A dumb mistake that most of us have done. Why are yall arguing over this so bad? Some very ugly personal attacks. We all know what the right thing to do would be.. But you cannot make someone else do the right thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Falcian
Actually what some of us are arguing about is what the right thing to do is, as some people don't see that anything wrong was done. At least that's why I'm here, to point out the fact that there are some very shady people out there who don't care about right and wrong!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tiffany293
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Originally Posted by Falconwolf
***sighs***
No one is perfect but some should have computer etiquette like auction etiquette. This is not RL no but if this was done to you would you like the person to return you stuff? If this was RL would you hope that the person that caught your mistake be kind hearted enough to give it back? Really it boils down to what would you truely want to happen if this was you?
50K!! Bargain
8 pages of arguments over some virtual bread, how can you tell everyone is bored with the servers down?
Something that hasn't been brought up is the fact that games are just games at the end of the day. What I mean by that is when I play a game I enjoy being someone that I am not in real life. In many games I will be dishonest, cruel, steal, and do other things that I wouldn't think of doing in real life. It is one of the ways that I have fun and enjoy the games that I play. Many of the people playing this game might get some of their enjoyment by doing things and saying things that they wouldn't dream of in real life. In game morality is, in my opinion, whatever gives the player a fun and enjoyable experience for them. Real life morality should not be expected in any game in my opinion.
With that being said I agree that what happened was a mistake, and definitely not fair or equitable if something similar to it happened in real life. Settlers trade is the wild wild west, and I am sure the OP has learned from their mistake and will not double, and triple, check their trades in the future.