Crisis Quest Feedback

The new Crisis quest started today.

The first step is to make 150 baskets and donate 5000 saltpeter.

Can you please explain to me how, at level 47, I could POSSIBLY have that much saltpeter without having spent tons of gold in the TO to aquire it?

I have most every bit of saltpeter I've ever collected in the game thus far to reach this level and it's less than 2K.

Even if I were level 50, unless I had maxed my storage in gunpowder, I probably STILL would not have 5000 saltpeter.

Please, please, please, what are you THINKING when you create these quests?


Maybe you need to create a new level range for quests. 46-49, so you can give us quests that don't assume that we've been stockpiling virtual crap for month so that we can burn it all on rewards not worth the effort.

I am not level 50, I haven't been sitting around for months stockpiling crap. I don't have 5000 saltpeter. All you have managed to do is piss off a long time user with your inability to properly design quests.

And this seems to be a recurring theme.

It's getting more than a bit tiresome.

Until I hit level 47 I had accumulated around 10k saltpetre - but then I built the powder hut ... now I have none. I'm particularly annoyed that this silly quest chain will show in my book until June 6th as you CAN'T delete it.

I am NOT putting myself through the same hassle as with 4 winds. I am recommending to my guild that they don't, either.

I agree, they're just putting the long term players off the game - maybe they just want to close it down to concentrate on Anno. This is certainly not going to increase my game play time.

Well, the real benefit of this quest is i am dumping all 20k of useless saltpeter i have accumulated over the last year, at greatly inflated price! finally!

I'm glad to see they took are complaints and made this crisis quest "easier" which is actually a positive. Compared to last crisis this is much better, no irony or sarcasm there. But I"m lv 50 and the quest for this group is just ridiculous. I still think its absolutely absurd to force us to build expert buildings that we may not have any intention of building just for these stupid quest. 5k salt is do-able if you save up since the beginning, but I have exactly 0 right now as I traded it all to guildy with powderhut for gunpowder for the stupid guild quest. And its absolutely laughable that the top two groups are required to do the 2 worst advs in the game, SE and SoV. Its almost like they are passively aggressively forcing us to do them bc they are mad no one likes their crummy adventures. Like the devs said, "what they never run them? Haha, we'll force them to do the adventure in the crisis quest."

lets see, 250 gems at 4 gc per gem is about 1000 gc.
The first level of the crisis quest (46-50) is pay 5000 salt which is running between 2000 and 3000 gc.
10k Exotic wood is another 2000 gc.
5k steel is another 1500 gc minimum.

EPIC FAILURE in thinking this sort of stuff out.

Most higher level players are refusing to bother to do these horribly balanced "quest".

If you want players to bother to do these lengthy and expensive quests, make the rewards appropriate.

One look at the requirements of this STUPID quest versus the rewards and I say, "What were they thinking?"

I hope the other players weigh the options as well and tell BB to 'stuff it'.

These quests are even less attractive for anyone with at least one gem pit. I appreciate the devs taking time to address issues regarding randomness/etc that plagued that last set of Crisis quest. But in doing so they broke something even more valuable... the motivation to do these.

And I quote the BB:

"After analyzing your feedback for the previous Crisis Quest ("Four Winds"), we decided to adjust several aspects. This time, sub-tasks are a little bit easier so more players will be able to complete them. Further, the amount of random elements was optimized and the communication related to the remaining time is much better now."


I'd like to know how the BB crew think these tasks are "easier" and in any way 'worth' the rewards we'll be getting. I'm really glad I found the list of quests before I finished the first one. I think I'll keep my resources. The medi-packs aren't worth the effort, and the gems for this one are a JOKE.

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All my salt & pepper has gone into making gunpowder. These costs don't outweigh the benefits. Disappointing...

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Originally Posted by Greyman_

And I quote the BB:

"After analyzing your feedback for the previous Crisis Quest ("Four Winds"), we decided to adjust several aspects. This time, sub-tasks are a little bit easier so more players will be able to complete them. Further, the amount of random elements was optimized and the communication related to the remaining time is much better now."


I'd like to know how the BB crew think these tasks are "easier" and in any way 'worth' the rewards we'll be getting. I'm really glad I found the list of quests before I finished the first one. I think I'll keep my resources. The medi-packs aren't worth the effort, and the gems for this one are a JOKE.

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Yep just by looking at the rewards... I'll complete the first few that I have extra resources and can spare it but once I get stuck on one, or not worth it to me to deplete that typical resource I'm saying yep time to ignore it.

This game is getting so horrible. The devs just have no idea what players actually want. The only good things that happen are the annual events and that's because of our own awesome player driven economy that fluctuates very much.

Why would I even CARE about a General resurrection spell? My generals are -never- needing to become alive again. That's not how the game works. We use guides to maximize general usage and we NEVER need them rez'd.

The hundreds of dollars ive spent on this game is really not showing right now.

I think it's becoming pretty obvious that the dev team doesn't actually play the game. At least* not without using their 'godly' powers to make adjustments to their islands to test stuff (yeah, we'll use stuff) out.

Of course building 150 baskets isn't daunting when you can magically upgrade your Provision House to L5 & toss a Buff on it. And hey, what's it matter that you have to give out 5000 saltpeter when it's just a matter of a couple clicks to completely fill your storage level with it. Yeah, that's gotta be worth 400 exotic wood planks.

{Okay, needing to find 30 Granite isn't bad. And in a good guild, trading 20K of resources is actually fairly easy.} And yeah, 150 coin isn't a bad reward for that.

Now, produce 500 Sausage, {that's a matter of a few hours} and buff 200 FRIENDS buildings {with baskets}. Just looking at my island, I'd probably have to visit 3 or 4 friends to accomplish that. So, sorry guild mates, if I get mine done first, you'll all have to wait 9 hours to find islands you can buff. All that for a measly 150 Map Frags?

Next complete an Epic adventure AND purchase 20K resources {Okay, with the good guild you can once again complete that trade without too much difficulty} to get 300 Titanium Ore? Well, it's a good thing most of the Epic Adventures have acceptable loot.

Next, you need to produce(?) 50 Damascan blades. That'll throw anyone out that doesn't already have that building constructed. OH AND ON TOP of that, Buff another 200 friends buildings. {At least they don't HAVE to be Baskets this time} 100 coin & 1000 brew? Really not worth it at this point.

This next quest if absolute idiocy. Employ 250 cav (Okay, you should already have this...) but PAY TEN THOUSAND EXOTIC WOOD LOGS?!!!! Are you out of your mind? for 100 coin & 100 map frags? NOT EVEN FOR 100 GEMS!!!

Then complete Secluded Experiments & accumulate 2K sausage. 400 granite?

Next, how the heck is a player supposed to produce 300 ewp after you've made them pay all their ewl {without the magical developer resource fill button} Not sure what the translator means "save up any adventure" so I can't really comment on that.

Finally, complete 5 adventures and PAY 5000 steel to get 700 granite (plus the chain rewards)


In all, I'd have to say that this Quest Chain "Fallen Army" is not made for the higher level players to participate in.

i for one wont be bothering with this quest chain, and im considering just finding another game at this point........

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In all, I'd have to say that this Quest Chain "Fallen Army" is not made for the higher level players to participate in.

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I, for one, will not even attempt this foolishness, and I'm an "upper tier" player. Thanks for the effort, BB, but you really dropped the ball on this one.

Hi guys! I have been reading your feedback on the new Crisis Quest. Your feedback is very important to the devs so please continue to let us know your thoughts in a constructive manner and I will be sure to forward it to them so they can continue to improve Crisis Quests in the future. What do you like about it? What don't you like about it? How can they make it better next time? Be specific (and constructive!) so I can better present them with your feedback.

Edit: Sticking this thread and making it the official Crisis Quest feedback thread.

I won't even bother going on a rant on how stupid this crisis quest is, it's been pretty well covered already. I'm just putting my island to sleep, walk away from the game for a couple weeks, and then decide if I even want to bother with coming back to it...

the rewards for this crisis would be Godly IF* PVP WERE OUT... Devs are slacking hard body..

This quest is great for those who want to donate 5000 gc to receive 2500 gc in return....

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What do you like about it? What don't you like about it? How can they make it better next time? Be specific (and constructive!) so I can better present them with your feedback.

Edit: Sticking this thread and making it the official Crisis Quest feedback thread.

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Okay, I woke up to "produce 125 baskets" (or 150...whatever, no problem) and "give up 5000 saltpeter" for a reward of 400 exotic wood planks???
I went to the trade office to buy saltpeter, because I was woefully short, even though I have never used any since day one (and I'm almost level 47). The prices were outrageous. What was my reward for doing this? Exo planks I could buy for 90 coins. Taking into consideration that there are 7 or 8 more quests that are just as unbalanced, what do I get as a final reward? 250 gems (nice but woefully inadequate - I can't buy anything permanent with that.. not even a Geo) and medipacks? I have 8 generals! I don't care if I kill one. Are you serious with this?
I'm sorry, BB_Effluna, it's JUST NOT WORTH THE TROUBLE!!
Nice game though, unlike others, I'm not going to quit, but I'm certainly not going to do this dumb quest. LOL.

If this is what the Devs call "easier" and more "worth doing" then I am not gonna need to see anymore of these types of quests.
It is NOT a benefit and appears to try once again to insure that massive resources are spent for minimum gains. Not happening here folks but hey! We gotta look at em all day cause they DID fix it this time to where u CANNOT delete the quest. LMAO while crying profusely for the future of my favorite game....

Unless you are a Nords baby or sold it....one should have thousands upon thousands of salt peter at 50.

The quest cost v. reward is bad....but dont cry about salt peter.

the ONLY smart thing they did on the crisis quest was use it as a way to eliminate the oversupply of exotic logs and salt peter that occurs from adventures. 250 gems though is ONLY good for players who dont buy gems and need building licenses or generals.

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Originally Posted by Draconus2004

Unless you are a Nords baby or sold it....one should have thousands upon thousands of salt peter at 50.

The quest cost v. reward is bad....but dont cry about salt peter.

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Remember that at level 50 you get all those quests to build expert buildings, including the gunpowder maker. Many level 50s have been either running their powdermaker or selling the salt to those running powder makers. The amount of salt available is probably not as high as you think (and I didn't buy ANY Nords with gems and have been level 50 for 12 months).

I happen to have that 5000 (but no powdermaker) but why wouldn't I just sell the salt to a gem seller (or TO) for enough gc to buy 5 times the amount of gems that the final reward is worth?

This is why the rewards need to outweigh the cost of running the quest.

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the ONLY smart thing they did on the crisis quest was use it as a way to eliminate the oversupply of exotic logs and salt peter that occurs from adventures. 250 gems though is ONLY good for players who dont buy gems and need building licenses or generals.

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Except we will all need exotic wood logs for one of the new buildings.

Bottom line for crisis quest: the maths are broken.

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Originally Posted by BB_Effiluna

Hi guys! I have been reading your feedback on the new Crisis Quest. Your feedback is very important to the devs so please continue to let us know your thoughts in a constructive manner and I will be sure to forward it to them so they can continue to improve Crisis Quests in the future. What do you like about it? What don't you like about it? How can they make it better next time? Be specific (and constructive!) so I can better present them with your feedback.

Edit: Sticking this thread and making it the official Crisis Quest feedback thread.

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In reading everyone's comments, it's clear (to me anyway) that the feedback is:

1- The costs are too high.
2- The rewards are not worth it.
3- Make the costs reasonable and make the rewards outweigh those costs.
4- Feel fee to add anything I missed.

I have 14 generals I don't need medipacks. 250 gems either doesnt exactly motivate me. It's quite low if you look at the price of things purchased with gems.
The first quest make 150 baskets this would be completed by most players eventually but a 5,000 payout for a 400 reward. The numbers don't balance. We want to be thinking we are getting "AWESOME" rewards ..."epic" even for working on these quest chains. The way you have the current quests with tiny figure rewards do not do this. So as many other players who I am watching in Global and reading on the forum will not bother with this. It's a shame I did complete the Fourwinds Chain through much effort. But it had better rewards.
As you say you are reading these posts then I would like to take this opportunity to point out a few other dismal aspects of the game.
A change was made to the search times of geologists shortening many. Brilliant and needed yet the 30 minute travel time of regular tavern generals was overlooked.
Recently I decided to rotate two veteran generals, 2 regulars and a battle hardened and run the many traitors adventures I had piled up since starting the game. Well the wait for the slow pokes essentially killed my enthusiasm for adventuring. It became boring and after a few days of this my play time degraded to maybe two hour sessions. I did it cleared 60+ of the advents but I encourage you to look at making travel times faster, some players have setups that allow the game to be played like rts games I am one.
Many people probably have in the past commented on gold coin production being worthless or less than satisfying. 29 coins per 12 hours per level of coinage, 500 coins to upgrade, 20k coins for 6th tavern general. These are out of whack and need to be addressed. It is possible to do and I have lots of gold industry because of poor game balance and time requirements but it isn't something that will keep potential new players interested in this game or people when they are reaching the stage which requires Coins. I'm sure you may notice players leaving game and not returning in certain level and economy brackets.
Last for now is granite. The chain that binds us to the game for longer periods of time per day or week than one might want to be playing a browser game. High gem cost, low chance to find with explorers, slightly less than impressive loot reward chance from adventures. So then lets look at its uses. It upgrades and that is it. We do the basic and intermediate level buildings quite simply and then we move on. How do you think 6000 granite is balanced for upgrading one building? My god what is wrong with the Devs the day they did that to us. Wife leave them or ran out of coffee at work? We can achieve it by farming and that is exactly what it becomes without gems, or shooting yourself in the face if we spend too much time at the pc. I liken it to farming motes when I used to play WoW. Not very fun.

At one time, I had over 60k in Saltpeter.
But since then, I have made a lvl 5 Powderhut.
I now have maybe a couple hundred saltpeter and over 20k Gunpowder.
NOW you want the saltpeter?

And later on you want me to complete an SE too? Probably should give us the medipacks up front for that one.

Consider me properly gruntled.

I have no complaints about the crisis quest. Why bother? I am just going to ignore it.

another garbage "event/content"

WOW FINALLY a use for Salt Pepper... i can DONATE IT WHOOO

I completed the Four Winds Quest and more or less enjoyed it.
Then again, I was lucky and hit granite right away every time. Having said that.....

It's all already been said but I'll repeat it:

The rewards for doing each step of this quest fall far below the cost of completion. Totally unbalanced.

The reward for completing the entire quest chain is laughable at best.

If the devs play the game at all, they are most definitely NOT playing the same game the rest of us are.

The total disconnect between the reality of game play and the fallen army quest chain has me completely baffled.

I won't be wasting time and resources on this poorly thought out mess.

BB_Effiluna, I'd like to thank you for the great job you are doing.
Please help us get through to the devs and help us keep our beloved game from imploding.

Once again, Epic Fail by BB. And this time the game won't even let me delete the quest, so I'm going to have to look at it for two weeks.

The deal breaker for me is having to run Sons of the Veld. It just isn't going to happen in this lifetime.

I won't be doing the quests. As everyone else is saying, the rewards are not worth the cost. The quests look like they were designed by people who don't really play or understand the game.

The 4 winds quest was impossible for me to complete. I didnt have all the granite, exotic planks and bad luck finding the loot that was needed to advance in the questchain. This questchain seems doable when it comes to time, and for that I thank the developers. The final reward is sadly disappointing. I was excited to see the medipacks, untill I learnt what they were for. 250 gems is of course nice.

For my part that pretty much means building damascene smith(4000 granite + exotic wood planks). And the 10k exotic wood. Also SE needs to be done.... I am pretty sure I can get ALOT more for those resources spent in trade office(watermill/silo for 4000 granite). Sadly, I am stupid enough to give this questchain a try. Sigh, what an idiot I am. Wish me luck.

I completed 4 winds and enjoyed it. This quest I won't even start.

Based on what I have seen here, the most challenging part of the entire quest will be Secluded Experiments; that adventure is a real bear. I don't know if the rest of the quests are worth the rewards, but it's just a matter of producing and gathering resources. If you haven't built some of the buildings available to your level, then things could get interesting. Saltpeter and titanium ore were supposed to be the most valuable resources in the game, but it hasn't worked out that way because so many expert weapons have been looted that salt in particular is (was) almost worthless. This quest will be a sink to remove the oversupply. To be honest, if you've been running epic adventures all along, you should have salt, titanium ore, and even exotic logs coming out of your ears. But there doesn't seem to be any luck involved, so this crisis quest looks like a much fairer test than the Four Winds. This one is just a question of getting everything done before time runs out.

This game has some of THE worst developer's I have ever seen, do they even play this game?? they are so out of touch with what players want and need to get fixed.

Yup looking like a lot of garbage. Atleast they are adding stuff but I wonder if this is just a test game for the new game(s). I will certainly spend no more money on any of their games until we get satisfaction.

Ok, how to really build quest rewards.

EACH step should have basically equivalent rewards to the effort and cost to do THAT STEP.
If we sell 10k resources and pay 500 granite, then we should get something worth 500 granite (maybe E wood or Dama swords) at something close to the market rate.
(selling and buying resources is a huge joke at level 50. We are bouncing around 200k groups of resources into our Stars. Doing that is no effort and thus worth very little).

The final reward could then be relatively small, like 250 gems.

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The rewards for each step are a slight loss and the final reward is MUCH bigger (Free Deerstalker hut, Arctic Mine, etc,). This is probably the choice most players would prefer.

Doing SE, is something like 10k bronze swords, 5k brew, 1.5k settlers PER PLAYER (price compare with bread cost to make them) AND large amounts of provision house and barracks time. The reward, a measly 300 titanium ore (oh sure, we get adventure rewards too) but for THIS adventure, those rewards are a JOKE. Even if SE regular rewards were bumped to FIVE TIMES the current amount, you still might not get people doing SE.

Funny thing, without a VETERAN General, I'm not even sure how high the losses in SE would be. 10k troops I'll bet.
And for those not using gems, what a huge task. GEM users have a huge advantage at this step (but maybe its intended that way)