PvP Discussion and Q/A

Hello Everyone,

So far we have seen no news at all about PvP, and what little we do get comes with a TM "soon"

I want everyone who reads this to ask a question that relates to PvP.

Think of this as a Q/A request list. We ask the questions and just maybe we can get a answer from the devs, that doesn't include this: "This thread has run its course".

So, real simple, ask a question, if someone asks a question that you know the answer to, respond.

Rules:
1. No Raging

2. No Finger pointing

3. No racist remarks

4. Stay on topic

I will ask a BB to enforce these rules, so be on your best behavior! :o

I will start with a question; Since PvP will be done on islands that are not connected to the home island, will PvP islands be like Anno Online's islands where the player can still build on? or will it be on a blank island that is set up once 2+ players start a battle?

I was thinking of something along the lines of the old settlers series, where its a semi blank island but each person starts at different points (NPC started different points). and they grow borderlines beacons that expand with towers. capturing towers reduces their land space thus destroys their buildings. whoever dominates the island wins that island and you gain resources or whatever prize reward from that map.
could also be a time limit too so whoever gets the most control wins when its over.

also- possibly add some sort of 'ship that allows you to transport reinforcements or resources from your home island. (ship has a long travel time so this needs to be balanced of course where it takes a while to get reinforcement/supplies). spies can be useful in reporting back the opponents reinforcement arrival times and opponents current resource supplies, production and troops etc.

How do we know for SURE that home islands will be immune from attack?

Home islands will be protected
We are happy to announce that it will not be possible to attack the home islands of other players – these islands will be protected from attacks. That means that there will be…
Separate islands for PvP!
New types of islands will be added to the game. Players who are interested in PvP will have the opportunity to compete with others in order to take control of valuable islands. With these valuable islands comes the…
Opportunity to gain precious resources
With the introduction of PvP content, we will be adding new ways to gain precious resources. The new resources here will definitely help you expand your settlements. (here is where i inserted my Q)

-EX/BB_meesherbeans01

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Originally Posted by EpsilonSilver

How do we know for SURE that home islands will be immune from attack?

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In the Closed Beta, the Home Island buildings had Health Points. During one of there Maintenance, They took the Health Points away and then in 2011, They said that PVP will not be on Home Islands but on a separate island in December of 2011.

[QUOTE=The_Director;214368][B]Separate islands for PvP!
New types of islands will be added to the game. Players who are interested in PvP will have the opportunity to compete with others in order to take control of valuable islands. With these valuable islands comes the…
Opportunity to gain precious resources
With the introduction of PvP content, we will be adding new ways to gain precious resources. The new resources here will definitely help you expand your settlements. (here is where i inserted my Q)

This sounds a little like my suggestion written a long time ago.

I asked MrGrimm about lvl cap raises seeing that with the introduction of star coins a lvl cap increase seems like it's not going to happen. He responded with not to give up hope on lvl raises and keep and eye out for something in the forums about it. I guess we will see if this magical event known as PvP or lvl cap raises ever come true. Or is it just like the new stuff coming out and just a FAIRY TALE.

When will we get PVP?

Can we get bigger home islands?

:P

Guild Wars?

Guild Wars (Capture the Flag)?

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Originally Posted by Serenity6

Guild Wars?

Guild Wars (Capture the Flag)?

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That would be cool to have. Take the Guilds Sign off the Guild house!

To be honest I know allot of people not all that interested in the PvP of other online games and thats why they came to this game. If you always wanted PvP why did you come to a game with none? PvP has ruined allot of games. But it really depends on how they do it. Perhaps Like adventures where its a race to finish, or to finish with least losses might work. I don't want it to turn into the type of PvP where you need to be worried when offline that something will happen that costs you allot.

how old is this game on the older servers? I know when Zeus started but its been years for some, Its a little late to expect the whole concept of the game to change.

If you want PvP go find different game and stop trying to ruin this one.

Artillerist, you are off topic.

I totally understand your point of view, but this isn't about taking sides for The PvP/No PvP.
if you have a suggestion/or a question about PvP, please share it.

Another Question i have:

Will there be towers in the PvP Island?

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Originally Posted by Artillerist

To be honest I know allot of people not all that interested in the PvP of other online games and thats why they came to this game. If you always wanted PvP why did you come to a game with none? PvP has ruined allot of games. But it really depends on how they do it. Perhaps Like adventures where its a race to finish, or to finish with least losses might work. I don't want it to turn into the type of PvP where you need to be worried when offline that something will happen that costs you allot.

how old is this game on the older servers? I know when Zeus started but its been years for some, Its a little late to expect the whole concept of the game to change.

If you want PvP go find different game and stop trying to ruin this one.

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I'm gonna weigh in on this topic.

You need something at stake to make PvP worthwhile. If you're not risking anything, it has no entertainment value.

Now options here for what to risk -- buildings, troops, resources, or your economy.

Buildings is a terrible option. The resources required to build them and mainly the time commitment is so high, that this shouldn't even be considered.

Resources is the worst option. Stealing of resources makes most games with PvP stupid. It eliminates the casual player and the 'gamers' end up farming everybody else. I don't think the developers are naïve enough to let this happen.

Troops would also be a bad choice -- depending how it is structured. If all of your troops are put at risk -- then somebody could come in and wipe out your cannons or crossbows while you are rebuilding recruits for an adventure. That would be very bad. The only way that troops being at risk works, is if you can assign troops to be defensive -- and it is the player's choice whether or not you want to risk troops to protect themselves from attacks.

The economy then becomes an interesting option. I've always felt that you should be able to directly attack other players -- and think their direction where all PvP happens on separate battlefields is a really bad idea -- because there is nothing at risk. If a successful attack awarded the victor a series of 'nerf' buffs, then you could deploy them on the opponent to 'attack' their economy. You could have trade-office buff that produced a trade boycott -- or a mayor-house buff that quintupled the time required to rebuild wells and wheatfields -- or workyard 'damage' buffs that tripled the time of the production cycle. You could even have a buff-canceller item that would end the current workyard buff.

It's a very difficult situation with no easy answers. But I see the best option for PvP is to put other players' economy at risk. As long as the nerfs are significant enough -- people will be willing to defend themselves against them and risk defensive troops.

Ok then here is a question. How can We the players who don't want PvP Transfer to a new server that has no PvP. While keeping what we worked for. Will we be able to transfer? Or Can we simply keep the servers we have and Start a new fresh server were everyone who wants it can start over.

This seems fair because we knew starting here there was no PvP.

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Originally Posted by Artillerist

Ok then here is a question. How can We the players who don't want PvP Transfer to a new server that has no PvP. While keeping what we worked for. Will we be able to transfer? Or Can we simply keep the servers we have and Start a new fresh server were everyone who wants it can start over.

This seems fair because we knew starting here there was no PvP.

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If you don't want PvP -- go play Farmville.

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Originally Posted by ZBest

If you don't want PvP -- go play Farmville.

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this game was not designed for PvP, Never has been PvP. Why do you want us to change the game for you. Just so you can ruin what we have built up and some have paid real cash for. If you need to distroy what others build to feel better about yourself. find a game that is PvP based and play it. THIS IS a farmvile type game. If you don't like it leave.

Why did you start playing a game with no PvP if this is what you wanted

Ok Zbest now we have seen each others Islands, Do you want an player like me to be able to attack your island? I could simply ruin your game for you. I wouldn't because I don't enjoy that but I know people that do that all the time on other games like Evony. They attack and keep attacking to keep a guy down.

So my version of Farmville could be simply farm your Island. Do you really want PvP now? Like I said I don't enjoy that but it could be done. Just because I don't want PvP does not mean I don't have Years of experence playing in PvP and winning.

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Originally Posted by Artillerist

Ok Zbest now we have seen each others Islands, Do you want an player like me to be able to attack your island? I could simply ruin your game for you. I wouldn't because I don't enjoy that but I know people that do that all the time on other games like Evony. They attack and keep attacking to keep a guy down.

So my version of Farmville could be simply farm your Island. Do you really want PvP now? Like I said I don't enjoy that but it could be done. Just because I don't want PvP does not mean I don't have Years of experence playing in PvP and winning.

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Did you read my post? or are you blindly knee-jerk always anti-PvP?

If I could build defensive buildings against attacks -- and could choose if I wanted to station my troops in defensive positions, then yes. I'm fine with allowing invasions.

However, if you can steal resources, destroy buildings, and/or wipe out whatever army is produced -- this becomes like every other game out there.
If you can't ever affect anybody else -- then it becomes just like Farmville.

I want PvP -- but want it done well. I want it to encourage players to get stronger, and work together in a guild, and overall make the game more social.

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Originally Posted by ZBest

If you can't ever affect anybody else -- then it becomes just like Farmville.

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It is like farmville in a way but it always has been.

PvP is always and always will be a Big player picking on someone who can't defend themself 99% of the time. Do you want to be that player? even in your idea of a debuff for losing You will always be under that and never given the chance to recover. There is so much more content to this game that you have not touched by improving your Island. You want to encourage players to get stronger? whats holding you back now?

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Originally Posted by ZBest

I'm gonna weigh in on this topic.

You need something at stake to make PvP worthwhile. If you're not risking anything, it has no entertainment value.

Now options here for what to risk -- buildings, troops, resources, or your economy.

Buildings is a terrible option. The resources required to build them and mainly the time commitment is so high, that this shouldn't even be considered.

Resources is the worst option. Stealing of resources makes most games with PvP stupid. It eliminates the casual player and the 'gamers' end up farming everybody else. I don't think the developers are naïve enough to let this happen.

Troops would also be a bad choice -- depending how it is structured. If all of your troops are put at risk -- then somebody could come in and wipe out your cannons or crossbows while you are rebuilding recruits for an adventure. That would be very bad. The only way that troops being at risk works, is if you can assign troops to be defensive -- and it is the player's choice whether or not you want to risk troops to protect themselves from attacks.

The economy then becomes an interesting option. I've always felt that you should be able to directly attack other players -- and think their direction where all PvP happens on separate battlefields is a really bad idea -- because there is nothing at risk. If a successful attack awarded the victor a series of 'nerf' buffs, then you could deploy them on the opponent to 'attack' their economy. You could have trade-office buff that produced a trade boycott -- or a mayor-house buff that quintupled the time required to rebuild wells and wheatfields -- or work yard 'damage' buffs that tripled the time of the production cycle. You could even have a buff-canceller item that would end the current work yard buff.

It's a very difficult situation with no easy answers. But I see the best option for PvP is to put other players' economy at risk. As long as the nerfs are significant enough -- people will be willing to defend themselves against them and risk defensive troops.

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Thanks for joining!

The Dev's have planed (as far as we know) a separate island that "rair" resources can be gathered and PvP waged. THis could mean that if your defences are good, then no mater what kind of rewards for attacking are, you are safe. (expect gem users to be more successful)

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Originally Posted by Artillerist

Ok then here is a question. How can We the players who don't want PvP Transfer to a new server that has no PvP. While keeping what we worked for. Will we be able to transfer? Or Can we simply keep the servers we have and Start a new fresh server were everyone who wants it can start over.

This seems fair because we knew starting here there was no PvP.

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I started here with the high hopes of PvP.

And is the previous quote said, go play farmville if you don't want PvP. (i highly suggest Anno Online, much better)
Now to be fair, i understand the No-PvP side. Your arguments are welcome, just don't rage and we can still talk without any BB's looking down.]

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Originally Posted by Artillerist

this game was not designed for PvP, Never has been PvP. Why do you want us to change the game for you. Just so you can ruin what we have built up and some have paid real cash for. If you need to destroy what others build to feel better about yourself. find a game that is PvP based and play it. THIS IS a farmville type game. If you don't like it leave.

Why did you start playing a game with no PvP if this is what you wanted

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This game was designed for PvP from the beginning. Please remember that TSO is a series game, meaning that there are other settlers games out there, this is the online version. All other versions of the Settlers had PvP in various ways.

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Originally Posted by Artillerist

Ok Zbest now we have seen each others Islands, Do you want an player like me to be able to attack your island? I could simply ruin your game for you. I wouldn't because I don't enjoy that but I know people that do that all the time on other games like Evony. They attack and keep attacking to keep a guy down.

So my version of Farmville could be simply farm your Island. Do you really want PvP now? Like I said I don't enjoy that but it could be done. Just because I don't want PvP does not mean I don't have Years of experience playing in PvP and winning.

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Rember that PvP will be on other islands other than your home island. Don't freak out.

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Originally Posted by ZBest

Did you read my post? or are you blindly knee-jerk always anti-PvP?

If I could build defensive buildings against attacks -- and could choose if I wanted to station my troops in defensive positions, then yes. I'm fine with allowing invasions.

However, if you can steal resources, destroy buildings, and/or wipe out whatever army is produced -- this becomes like every other game out there.
If you can't ever affect anybody else -- then it becomes just like Farmville.

I want PvP -- but want it done well. I want it to encourage players to get stronger, and work together in a guild, and overall make the game more social.

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Zbest please remember to argue, but without calling the other players a loser. Everyone may have a voice, but you don't have to be rude.

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Originally Posted by Artillerist

It is like farmville in a way but it always has been.

PvP is always and always will be a Big player picking on someone who can't defend himself 99% of the time. Do you want to be that player? even in your idea of a debuff for losing You will always be under that and never given the chance to recover. There is so much more content to this game that you have not touched by improving your Island. You want to encourage players to get stronger? whats holding you back now?

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I am sure that TSO PvP will be balanced, even if the begining few months would be choppy.

Also, How is there new content? Adventures have been the standard and only way to level up after conquering your home island, why not let in a new way?

Ok Gentlemen (and the ladies too :o) Please remember the rules, this isn't a chicken fight.

Thank you,
T_D

New content ment New fairy tale adventures and building your island past 3000 population. ( accepted friends in game to view each others). I'm gonna show my age here but I was a beta tester for Settlers 2 ( yeah I know) Enjoyed the games. They have been saying alot of things about PvP for over a year and a half. none of it is for sure. If they do it the seperate Island is one of the best ways. But that will not make pvP players happy because they cant crush some,

A cool thing would be, Like you said a seperate Island limited to lets say 5 vs 5 ( Haveing to be guildmates would be a bonus) and a timed event much like adventures. Its the having to set an alarm to wake me up in case Im attacked while off line like some PvP games ( Evony) I dont want. or as Zbest said a debuff on my home island, I worked to hard to balence it out to want it messed with. At one time they said if PvP came out it would be a fresh server so everyone started the same no one had advantage. Think that may of changed when they said it would be seperate island

Here is what i want to see is a PvP island:

1. separate from the home island (we know this will be done)

2. Rair resources can be mined on the PvP island

3. My theory of how a defender would work is just like adventures, except the player makes it, and you have to run the gauntlet up to the Castle (last storagehouse)

4. Production times for the rare resources would be low, countered by the time it takes for shipping the resources to your home island.

5. Shipping should be a set amount, and you can select what resources are the priority to be shipped first, much like a production house just with the ability to move resources priority up and down.

6. PvP shouldn't be forced (this is my No-PvP players deal) However, its fair to note that you wouldn't get access to the rair resource mines. But there is hope No-PvP players! Just play adventures instead.

7. The defences on the island should be built by the defender, and the difficulty would be how well the player sets his PvP island up.

8. Rewards should be fair, a good amount of EXP and resources at the end, a successful defence should be high EXP while if the attacker wins, high resources. If there was such a thing as a tie then the Defender automatically wins.

9. The Defender always keeps his island, damage caused to his land will only slow down production, but never halts it.

10. Midnight attacks. If you really wanted to hurt a player, you may attack when he is offline. Well, thats life. Ideal idea #9 noted that the buildings are only slowed down not destroyed. While this may disrupt production, its not the end of the world. Yes when you are level 50 it hurts worst, but if you are level 50 then you have the best defences, defend good and you may suffer less.

11. Final ideal idea, (say that 20 times fast) Defences are automatic, there is no "chess" game where you have to be there to make the move, think of the island being attacked as a Adventure. The only change is that there is a real player behind the A.I. .

So are you thinking that everyone has a secondary island that they build up and defend, but troops to defend it are build on main island? This seems ok.
Rare resources being available to be mined,i assume such as granite? as long as its slow production its ok but if its Some other resource that can only be gotten from PvP then thats gonna put things out of wack. If its too easy to get resources in PvP then no one will do adventures. Its gonna be a hard balence. Unless the PvP earned resources can only be used on the PvP Island

Exp earned should be based on what attackers lose not just a base amount for defense becuase people will find a way to cheat and have a buddy attack and not lose many troops just for the win for a friend.

If attackers can see what troops are in each camp ( I assume they will) the defender is at a disadvantage because attacker can change on the fly. so some sort of defense bonus will be needed, Tower bonus what ever.

Lets say this is sort of what its gonna be like I would think an Idea would be you could setup as many camps/ defenses as generals you have. if you have 3 250s 2 fast and 2 slow then you can make 3 250 camps and 4 200 camps as defenses.

Just ideas that might make it better for people who dont want the standard PvP
BB has changed there stance on things they have said in the past relating to this topic so dont assume anything yet. they could change mind on the different island route just like they did on the fresh server for PvP.

You know regardless how they do this ppl will cry about it. If you have to leave gens on this island then you won't be able to go on adventures as often. If it's fixed defencive buildings then your troop stregnth suffers I say just see and wait over 2 years of suggestions have been going in to this and i'm hoping some thought on part of the devs.

I was thinking that there would be another kind of general set for PvP defence only. More HP and stronger than a normal general, also able to hid without being seen until the general enters the red zone. By then only a retreat would work, making the game more suspenseful

I still like my idea of a fort lvls 1-5 with increased hitpoints for the defenders as the lvl goes up. And defenders are hidden as The_D suggests. After a battle the defender cah bring replacement troops from his other generals.

Ya i loved that idea wimpy.

Some really good ideas, and a few I have seen before. The best PvP is a system that is setup that allows players to choose whether or not they want to participate. In any game where it is forced those that do not want to do it will simply leave, hurting the player base, and making the game degenerate into what others have already described happens in other games.

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Some really good ideas, and a few I have seen before. The best PvP is a system that is setup that allows players to choose whether or not they want to participate. In any game where it is forced those that do not want to do it will simply leave, hurting the player base, and making the game degenerate into what others have already described happens in other games.

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Agreed.

I think its going to be really hard to do that, divide in-between the masses.

Ive noticed something about 75% of the people crying for PvP are either not 50 or have an Island that couldn't support PvP. So if they ever launch this are you all gonna come whine here about the fact you cant win?
Or do you simple want a completly independ island that is not affected by your level or ability to play the actual game

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Originally Posted by Artillerist

Ive noticed something about 75% of the people crying for PvP are either not 50 or have an Island that couldn't support PvP. So if they ever launch this are you all gonna come whine here about the fact you cant win?
Or do you simple want a completly independ island that is not affected by your level or ability to play the actual game

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Ill get back to you on that, Asia just gave me some more information I need to think about.

However I will say this right now, You cannot go here and just say that I am a loser, that I do not think about what I say.

Now can my island run PvP? of course not! PvP will require many buildings, one which the Devs will have to work on.

Lets refocus here. This has turned into a argument for the sake of arguing. We are a team here, (a bit dis-jointed) but we are a team nonetheless.

Ok everyone, Please read the first thread post. This was to be a Q/A, not a argument over who wants what.

We are wasting our time here otherwise.

Ty

T_D

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Originally Posted by Artillerist

Ive noticed something about 75% of the people crying for PvP are either not 50 or have an Island that couldn't support PvP. So if they ever launch this are you all gonna come whine here about the fact you cant win?
Or do you simple want a completly independ island that is not affected by your level or ability to play the actual game

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I'm curious how you judge an island's capacity for PvP -- when nobody actually knows what PvP would entail. And PvP is so many years into the future that everybody will have ample time to prepare.

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Originally Posted by ZBest

I'm curious how you judge an island's capacity for PvP -- when nobody actually knows what PvP would entail. And PvP is so many years into the future that everybody will have ample time to prepare.

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Well said ZBest.

Ok lets look at this logically, Your Home Island will have to support your PvP somehow or they may as well Start a completly different game Call it settlers PvP. If they are not linked with each other is some way what’s the point of being here waiting for this? If they are linked one would assume that you need to produce some sort of resource to send, Existing buildings for weapons or some new building resource that needs to be supplied with existing resources. If you cant be bothered to build up your Island now you never will. If you cant be bothered to level to 50 till PvP is released you will be so far behind you wont catch up. PvPers will never be happy, they never are in any game I’ve ever played in over 30 years. Heck if you did a race to 50 and got ready right after the last offical post, and were still waiting I would feel some sympathy. Point is you didn’t and you wont.
Why did you ever join a game that has no PvP its that simple. Plenty of browser games have it. You join a game for what it has not what you think they may do. This games only PvP is event buffs to mess with the production. If you seriously think PvP will come then get off the forums and build your Islands, level, Stockpile resources. Actualy play the content that’s released its an economy based game. Build yours up.

Fair point.

Let me retry your point from a different angle.

PvP would be huge, a new island, different defences, new units, it really is the big update.

What the dev's could do (and have, just look at the science system) Is update with PvP in small sections.

They could make the separate PvP island, let players slowly generate their new buildings.
Then Launch a month or two later Island Defences.
Then Finally they could launch full on PvP.

You could add many more steps that could include fine points, and there is a testing server, if a step fails, then its stopped there.

Now, i am not denying that PvP may never happen. The Evidence of such is extremely large compared for the hopes for PvP.

But i am being proactive, there is nothing wrong with making ideas, so i make ideas. Now i do try to stay as accurate to currant events, but i will also think outside the box. I hope you will too.

And please, knock it off with the High and mighty attitude. I don't care if you are higher level than me. On the Forums we are on even ground. Be nice and then we can get along together, and share some good ideas.

Perhaps PvP should be available to all lvls? Only you can't attack anyone lower than your lvl.

I think level 16 is where you attack your first camp on your home island, so I suggest that on lvl 17 you learn how to PvP.

Its not high and mighty, Over all the game as it is needs updates. PvP testing and work takes away from the rest. With Anon the dev teams focus is likely split. The only reason I mentioned my level is in this and other forums the number one thing that is said about PvP is we need more content. My point is, there is more content and some of you have chosen not to play it. Its not as if my forum sig said something like " Give me PvP or I'm gonna blow my Cannon" oh wait you don't have cannons yet do you? Since you believe we all need to see your opinion on everything i figured I could share mine on everything as well. Welcome to the forums