Community Leaders Program

in my opinion if we are going to have community leaders WE THE PLAYERS should be choosing them as our representatives not the bloody BB'S or UBI.
With saying that yes they should be players with no black marks against their name .
Now we have an economy pricesheet guide that is endorsed by most of the larger guilds and long time players yet your choice of CL Alphasmitey feels and has stated on trade that he is above following this guide YET his guild BREAD endorses the guide so tell me what good example is he setting for the community.
Absolutely NONE in my opinion
THIS PROGRAM IS A JOKE

I think if and I'm prob pushing that if PvP comes into play it will look hinky if 2 CL are in one guild. remember and excuse the pun but if it looks like a..... you get my drift

We The Players in order to form a more perfect union

So why not Community Liaisons instead of "leaders". Never even heard of Aquila. Your first choice continues to talk in 3rd person all the time although the new font color is much improved. If you wanted to have confidential informants, you could have just asked for volunteers in global. If you guys would just play the game yourselves, you would know that offering an extra 100 brew for 150 guild coins (new guild market offer) is just plain dumb. You can't even make 25 recruits with that much brew.......seriously.

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wpp was implemented to kill enemies, 3 players using a wpp on final leader to end an adv. sure sounds like what wpp was meant for. kudos for the originators for discovering a good use for them.

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Keep in mind they are having to BUY the 12 items they are using so the game is doing what they want customers (The Players) are buying things. I personal thing it is a great use of the WPP items from the SHOP. Where anyone looking at the item you would think it will do a-lot of damage to a "Leader Camp". I personal don't see or look badly on the players using the items for combat. That is what they are made for to hit combat!!!! Anyways that is my view just one man, one person.

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Originally Posted by MasonWorker

Keep in mind they are having to BUY the 12 items they are using so the game is doing what they want customers (The Players) are buying things. I personal thing it is a great use of the WPP items from the SHOP. Where anyone looking at the item you would think it will do a-lot of damage to a "Leader Camp". I personal don't see or look badly on the players using the items for combat. That is what they are made for to hit combat!!!! Anyways that is my view just one man, one person.

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what this got to do with CLs????????
Don't you ppl read what the threads about before posting????

GFM why dont u read back to previous post about Aquila saying that anyone using "bugs" like the wpps will be ratted out.

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Originally Posted by TrueHead

GFM why dont u read back to previous post about Aquila saying that anyone using "bugs" like the wpps will be ratted out.

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geez work ok I'll read

I have a 'bug' to report. It is the CL program. Calling 3 players Community Leaders/Liaisons gives these players the ability to access a higher level of lopsided trades.
+1 to Depositking

The WWP/beans was in your face since Sammuel/Asiastrings posted it in the forum days after WPP were released on live/test servers. BB did not mention a bug. There was no need to 'hear about this bug through someone that had seem something suspicious in trade from another player." Thats ridiculous. This conversation is ridiculous. "Abusing a bug." Condescending Liaison.
+1 Truehead

The majority of the community knows about online guides. Is it a bug that gives them an unfair advantage over the users that don't see these guides? There was no reason to assume this was not part of the game and it was fun. It's not surprising that players were disappointed when it was removed without announcement.
+1 Romangodcamper

OK so let's go back to the double drop parrots I'm sure a lot of the ppl around that have mass game riches "cheated" like that let's review everything

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Originally Posted by G_F_M

OK so let's go back to the double drop parrots I'm sure a lot of the ppl around that have mass game riches "cheated" like that let's review everything

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Everyone was using that even for Iron Depos

Was anyone honestly suggesting not to use WPP on Fairy Tale adventures for months???

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Originally Posted by ebotty

Was anyone honestly suggesting not to use WPP on Fairy Tale adventures for months???

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if there was an issue why wasn't thread that explained not killed like any other thread that goes against the rules

Seriously guys lol, these are the two sections where I mentioned talking to people who might be using bugs.

“The first thing I did was whisper the person about it and warned them that if they were indeed abusing a bug, this sort of thing is against the terms of service and that they would certainly get in trouble for it if they kept at it.”

(and this next one a little later)

"I will always try to contact the person who's using a bug first. So in that case they'll know that what they're doing is using a bug. If they keep using it, then they are obviously disregarding the terms of use."

I’m always going to want to hear your side of the story and your opinion on how you think the game would be better.
If the weak point potion thing/trick/tactic is something you strongly believe should be allowed in game then by all means, post some constructive ideas. But I’ll be honest with you, if all you do is complain about it being taken away without even adding any positive input, nothing will be changed.

Just look at blocking now. It’s part of the game and you as a community made this happen.

G_F_M, I thought about that yesterday and when PvP comes along, if it gives the guild any type of advantage by having me in it, I will leave right away and just play solo.

I haven’t done anything outrageously wrong and I haven’t been trolling in global-1. Those are two easy ways to get popular in this game. I’ve helped a lot of people over my two years but stuff like that usually doesn’t create much publicity. So it really shouldn’t be that big a deal that not all of you know me and frankly it doesn’t even matter. What matters is that I care enough to keep typing here while you guys are trying to pick at the CLs and at the CL program. The fact that I’m still having a conversation with you guys shows I care and really that should be enough. I know I’m going to have to work hard to prove my worth and gain your trust. Hopefully you guys will at least try to give me a chance.

There was never a thread, but only a CL's opinion who sounded like they threatened players who she knew used these buffs. not only do i think that you owe that player(s) an apology for threatening to get them banned for using an item that u have to buy in shop which they used to kill troops on a camp which happened to give them extra exp/sc/beans but i think that this whole CL program should be tanked. Im sure you do not need green chat and CL in your name to rat players out to BBs

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Originally Posted by TrueHead

and Abuse the TOS? how do we know for sure that these were bugs? using a wpp on a leader camp or 2 players clicking a cauldron at the same time, we were suppose to know that these were a bug and not that UBI implemented them to maybe promote co op play and teamwork (with the cauldron) and a maybe incentive to get to lvl50 to star coins to be able to get wpps and use them to get extra sc/beans?

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i guess something that was implemented to promote co op play, team work and an incentive to lvl50 is too far fetched

TrueHead please just stop. You're just insinuating things left and right.

I warned the player that "if" he was using a bug that it was bad and he "could" get banned. This player advertised it himself all over the forums. I'm not even the one who "ratted" him out but he did it himself.

I'm not here to be the bug police sheesh. I'm all for using this game to create our own player content. I'm an avid blocker. So it's not like I use only what the game gave me and never even try new tactics.

im just pointing out that this CL program is nothing more than instead of having cops in plain clothes, they are now in uniform.- and if you know who i am, you know that even though i may troll g-1 occasionally, i am very helpful to newer players and to prominent players (whether it be with helping with trade issues or strategical issues or life issues) and the reason why i think some people may dislike me is because i stick my neck out and give myself a target (which i dont really care becasue i have good (positive) reasons for the things i say or do), and don't think i am trying to hijack this thread, more of pointing out that CLs do nothing different than us besides being uniformed informants and are NOT the voice of the community. I feel like this CL program is misleading as none of these "Community Leaders" are actual community leaders. And if you (the CLs) think that i am wrong for saying this, you can ask CL_ImmaDuck to forward you the recent mails i sent him, and you Aquila, will see more where i am coming from. Anyways, I am done with this thread (for now) and i hope BB understands where I am coming from as i am not trying to troll or hijack this thread (i actually think this CL program is the biggest Troll or just a terrible mistake that has happened thus far in game) rather voice my opinion in which i feel very strongly about- Community Leader needs a name change

Aquila, you seem pleasant in-game. However, you are either not reading the posts in this thread, or you are a poor communicator. As stated by you, one of the CL's jobs is to receive reports of people abusing bugs, thus making you the 'bug police.' Then it seemed that you went on to call everyone who used a Weak Point Potion in a Fairy Tale adventure within the last few months a cheater who abused this bug.

As for positive feedback, there has been feedback in this thread and others about the WPP. Maybe people don't bother as much anymore, since the devs rarely heed player suggestions.

As for negative feedback, if that is all there is concerning a new game feature, maybe that feature needs to be retooled. Just because people complain, that doesn't mean they are wrong.

As for a well-balanced CL program, that would be fine with me. BB mods can work less, and RGC doesn't have to speak up as much in help tab. ;)

You kind of did hijack this thread but because I kept answering your posts that probably didn't help matters any.

Yes I do know you, very well actually. I'm always lurking global so I can know who everyone is. Which is why I'm pretty confused at why you seem to be intent on damaging the CL program and discrediting the people chosen before the darn thing even takes off. Don't you think something like this would have the potential to really benefit players? I really do see it, I'm not sure why you don't. You're fixated on this idea of us telling on everyone about bugs. That's not even our main responsibility. It's more of a side thing like a neighborhood watch. We can't even ban people.

I don't know. I just really hope you turn around and make good use of this program. Like I said, I know who you are and I've seen you help out many times, so I'm convinced you'd be beneficial to this thread. Especially since you like to stick out your neck and say things others might be too timid to say. Maybe with a little time you'll come to trust me and we'll start over fresh.

ahhhhh this darn bug abuse thing is getting out of hand lol

All I did was give a suggestion of things people could talk to me about. No one has to tell me about bugs and I don't have to investigate until I find bugs. That's not even the purpose of the CL program. The purpose is the community. So if a bug is damaging the community, then yes, I would want to report that. But if something is called a "bug" and it's really more like a tactic and it benefits the community then I'll be trying to work hard at convincing BB that it will be great to allow it in game.

When you think about this program, think you, you, you. What would be good for YOU in game. How could YOU benefit. If you have an idea on how things would be so much better for you when playing then, BINGO, you have something that could be relayed to a community leader.

And while we hear about what the community want we also watch chats to make sure no one is being harassed or trolling etc. That's just done to make sure everyone can enjoy the game.... well other than the trolls and harassers I guess.

PS: I'm probably going to trip up and say things that might rub people the wrong way in the future. I'm only human and I don't expect everyone to be in love with me too. But I'm always going to try to be fair to everyone.

Well. For one, The BB's picked the Community Leaders... But it should of been the Community to choice on who the Community Leaders Should be or do a poll and the BB's can randomly pick like 10 people or whatever well the Community vote on who the Community Leader(s) should be. I know it's still a new program and stuff. But if the BB's can't communicate with the players... then how will we be able to communicate back with them.

If there is no communication with BB's and Players then the game won't be as good as it should be. I don't mind on who they picked but like no offence here.. just seems like they had a meeting and randomly put players in a hat and draw 4 random people. The Idea can be good on a piece of paper, but how will the idea be good on the game or effect other players.

After reading these posts and looking at what's been said in global, I'm convinced that the next CLs to be chosen should be chosen by the community. I would also go as far as saying that the present CLs, myself included, should not automatically stay as CLs but would also need to have enough votes to stay in the program.

We just have to figure out a good way to know who the candidates are. Not just one person saying I nominate so and so. You have to actually know why this person should be nominated at least.

First, you guys will have to bare with us, the CLs that have been initially chosen. It had to start somewhere, but at least it's started. Eventually once the dust settles and the program is accepted by the majority of people, there will be a need for more community leaders.

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Originally Posted by CL_Aquila

When you think about this program, think you, you, you. What would be good for YOU in game. How could YOU benefit. If you have an idea on how things would be so much better for you when playing then, BINGO, you have something that could be relayed to a community leader.

And while we hear about what the community want we also watch chats to make sure no one is being harassed or trolling etc.

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There are a number of posts in the forum already expressing what players would like to see added or changed in the game. Not one reply made by any BB Mod. How will adding CLs change this? As far as trolls harassing players goes, we already can 'report' players for this. Seems like government adding useless and unwarranted programs.

+1 Truehead

This CL program will get NO support from me until WE the players pick who the CL's are

If BB is serious about improving the game they need to wake the hell up, for godsake get real adding huge buildings like epic workyards what are you thinking US level 50's who run a balanced island and have spent a lot of time building it up HAVE NO DAM SPACE

Work on getting us more space before adding rubbish like this to the game

Im sorry but i deleted the post- not sure if i crossed the line so rather be safe than sorry. but yes idk why they are called community leaders if they were not voted in by the community.

CL program was just silly when it was Smitey and Shuttle (who never ever played by the time she was given CL) but now it is passed comical! There is no way favoritism cannot be part of the equation when BB is picking players and giving them a "leadership" advantage over others. If we players chose the CL's, that would be one thing, but to have them nominated with ZERO input from any of us is asinine. I play a level 50 account on Ares as well but of course, my main account is on Zeus running ELYSIUM. I see the same dedicated players in ARES G1 and HELP daily and now that server has brand new CLs imported from ZEUS to "lead" them....? WOW! If I was a primary Ares player, I would be more ticked off than many of the ZEUS players posting here clearly are... A huge part of a community based game like this is player management. BB - take some constructive feedback. This program needs to be re-looked and revamped before more players feel ostracized through arbitrary BB decisions... LONG LIVE ELY!

Ok I have now met 2 of the 3 CL's on our server and they are nice people dont get me wrong BUT we should choose our own CL's 100%. You really need someone well known to said community to be the leader of it and do whats right for your community. Again this is not a personal attack on the CL's its letting UBI know this was a colossal fail and also the way they sprang it on us was totally out of line. I also have posts copied of some telling zeus players to friend them in ares...how is this not a favoritism? I guess i am confused as to how these were picked in the first place.

I think a campfire talk is needed. Someone quick start a fire and get some marshmellows this might take a minute.

In response to DreadGod Totally right!! We are all very mad about this and I for one have let rawren know!! It is crazy that I am lvl 50 ares player and have seen one of these CL's once before and thats it before the green text hit and I am an avid global 1 chatter!!

*starts a campfire and hands GFM a beer and marshmallows*

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I haven’t done anything outrageously wrong and I haven’t been trolling in global-1. Those are two easy ways to get popular in this game. I’ve helped a lot of people over my two years but stuff like that usually doesn’t create much publicity. So it really shouldn’t be that big a deal that not all of you know me and frankly it doesn’t even matter. What matters is that I care enough to keep typing here while you guys are trying to pick at the CLs and at the CL program. The fact that I’m still having a conversation with you guys shows I care and really that should be enough. I know I’m going to have to work hard to prove my worth and gain your trust. Hopefully you guys will at least try to give me a chance.

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SO it shouldnt be a big deal that not everyone knows their own Community leader? hmmm.....

And since the majority of the community is upset that they do not know AND did not vote on their community leader, as a community leader should you all take the community's opinion into consideration and do something about it? or is that something a community leader doesnt do?

TH for CL!!

I find this interesting .. As someone who has played this game for about 1 1/2 years, there for a member of the "Community". Today is the first time I have ever heard of this "Community Leader" thing. I have been active at least 2 x a day for almost my entire playing time. I have also been in a few guilds as well. Why are us "everyday" players not informed of or given a chance to be included with things like this?? Regarding a "Community Leader", should the community as a whole not be able to have some sort of input in things like this?

What the hell is a community leader?

If BB wants to promote such a thing, then they need to promote it.
I play everyday with no exceptions and this is the first I've heard of this.

Slycerz, no one was given a chance for input on this, and that's why so many people are upset over it. The BBs chose the first round of CLs quietly, and used them as guinea pigs for a 'training program.' Rawren has already said that in the future nominations will be held (on both servers,) so we will have a say.

Whether we like the people chosen or not, I'd personally like to see the community give the program itself a chance. Players have complained countless times that devs don't listen to the player's perspective, that they don't understand cuz they don't play. If this system is used properly, here's our chance to have the voice of the players heard in a way that doesn't overwhelm the devs with a thousand voices. They aren't intended to be police or rats, but to listen to what the players say in chat and forums, and know how the game works, and offer constructive feedback to the company.

Yes we use the forums. Yes the BBs also forward ideas. This is an attempt at another tool to close the gap between player and dev. Regardless of whether you know the currently chosen CLs or what you think of them, at least the company is trying to listen, at least that's what I get from it. Can we just let it be for a couple months and give it a chance? Having CLs doesn't directly influence the player's gameplay. Keep using the tools you were using before. You don't need to interact with them at all if you don't want to.

Seems to me more commotion is being made over who was chosen and how, rather than the program itself. So instead of cutting the program down, and since Rawren has already admitted mistakes were made, lets give them a chance to develop the program into what it should be.

ehh i have nothing against her personally, i think this program should be dropped and started over correctly with a community vote. But even then, is this program even necessary? i mean smitey has been CL for the longest and what has he done? and like BB said there is nothing different from a CL and a regular player who is knowledgeable, helpfull AND tattle tells, but if you want to keep this program and make it successful you need to think- when you call someone a community leader, i think they deserve to be voted into their position by the community- or else just change their title to something other then a leader. I think BB has players that keep their eyes on tabs to send in reports and we have forum for all your needs. Suggestions in the Suggestion thread, players have reported "bugs" (with a BIG quotation) This is like the definitition of crazy- doing the same things over and over ; we post suggestions in suggestion thread and we share with CLs, same with bugs and instead of reporting someone with the /report we tell the CLs and also report them? 'It is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results'. i honestly think that this program is splitting apart this community more than bringing it together but if BB wants to move on forward with this and make it work i do think that these leaders need to be demoted and then a vote for our FIRST community LEADERS.... (or change the title and keep it the players BB chose as is). But somethng does need to change in my honest opinion for this program to become successful.

and i am especially sorry for Ares players, i do play on Ares but Zeus is my main so i cant really talk for you guys and i wont but i can only imagine how you are feeling about this and i do think same should go for Ares, vote for their own CLs- maybe elect 2 from Ares and 2 from Zeus and each make/have an account on both servers and do what CLs do...........

So many personal attacks.

The rules clearly state that benefiting from bugs and game development errors is not permitted.

Vote for CL's? You mean like a popularity contest?

Who started it? The cheater, if the cheater wasn't cheating there would be nothing to talk about.

Almost every online game I have played has made an attempt at allowing players to help develop the game. Almost every instance has ended in failure because the people who think they should have been picked won't stop complaining.

I would be a horrible community leader because I call a spade a spade when I see one. This entire discussion is juvenile and pointless.