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I'm trying to find info as to whats the best layout for the new improved silos.
For exemple, in this picture, the farms are perfectly balanced:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v8...psdaca2a19.png
But didn't found any info on the new ones. Went on the test server for some tests, but they are missing from the merchant menu, no idea why.
well thier plan was to make it a limited time item and the whole settler community around the world revolted. but as for the new ones instead of the 12min production time it's 4 now and you lose the travel time between cycles. as for place ment thats something you'll have to play with to get what you think is best balanced for your needs
Change is difficult :P
They should come up with a tradable buff that costs 1500 gems and converts a silo into an improved silo.
Then sell it for 5000 magic beanstalks
I currently work with an 11/4 ratio. 11 farms per 4 improved silos, with the improved silos in the optimal walk-time locations. For 3 fields I have exactly 11 farms, 4 improved silos feeding into each field. The 4th field I have 22 farms, 8 improved silos.
I posted a screenshot with my 22/8 layout (not exactly optimal on farms, given i am also trying to maximize space.
So I have 55 farms, with silos and fields taking up a total of 79 2x2 squares.
http://i60.tinypic.com/w1xzrs.jpg
19 farms = 7 imp silos
12 farms = 4 imp silos + 1 old silo
11 Farms = 4 imp silos
8 farms = 3 imp silos
You kinda get the idea, but it's a heuristic, and that's the problem with the buggers. And your geometry matters as well. With the old silos, as long as you thought of silo-and-farm-pairs, each with the same travel time, you were golden. Now you have to balance the travel-times within the system along with the production/usage. You could easily use the heuristic ratios above and put the silos in the best spots but that doesn't max your yield within the geometry. For that, it takes a lot of fiddly work -- I constructed a simulator with a spreadsheet so I could play with what-if scenarios to find the best arrangement for farms/silos to max production within the geometry, to figure out the impact of different storehouse placement vs lost space, etc., but I've got guildies who opt for silos over-production just to avoid the headaches.
Point is: they're easy to use but no so easy to use optimally.
I've 6 wheat-fields (each wheat-field has a farm/silo geometry), two of which share symbiotic storehouses. I'm fully removing 2 of them, scaling down another while adding 6 farms. 4 field geometries (2 symbiotic), 58 farms, 21 Imp Silos, 1 original silo, 80 plots used. Translating that is almost impossible as each wheat-field and attendant buildings form a balanced whole, let alone the symbiotic geometries.
best-case i got was 2.77 farms per silo, with the 11/4 ratio being at 2.75. That is as efficient as i could get them.
Here is my sector 3 - packed pretty much as efficiently as you can build in that sector. Even though everything is crammed in, I have 11 farms 4 silos exactly feeding each of the 3 fields.
33 farms/12 silos total.
http://i59.tinypic.com/2jccw8w.jpg
Wondering if anyone might have advice for someone who is probably never going to have more than 1 (one) improved silo? Looking for the optimal setup. I have noticed that the storehouses seem have less travel if accessed through the southeast?
It's all about travel time. The closer the field/storehouse/silo are, the more efficient they will be. Technically, a storehouse's front leading onto a field with the silo on one side or other of the storehouse should be the most efficient; however, it's a poor overall configuration. Of course "poor" is relative. There are several constraints to consider: space used, farm efficiency, silo efficiency, & production needs are the biggies. Alter one of the constraints and it the entire equation alters.
Due to the triple-travel-time, placing the imp silo most efficiently is critical. These things are such a pain in the *** that it also means you have to place normal silos oddly in order to balance out their deficiencies, rather than just balancing their travel time against a companion farm. If you want to be certain, without overdoing it, you have to add up all the travel times on one side vs the other (farms vs silos) and make sure they're as close as possible (per field) and the silos at parity or winning by a hair.
I have a question about bushes. I have a couple bushes on my island which are blocking my attempts at duplicating this enticing layout. I'm hoping beyond hope that there may be some fancy player trick for trimming hedges. Is there some way to trick the game into allowing me to drop a farm right on top of a bunch of petulant petunias?Quote:
Originally Posted by Draconus2004
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Brilliance! Thank you Troll-Phu
you can remove a bunch of the bushes by placing a flower bed over it then removing, the bush/tree will go away until you log off or leave home islandQuote:
Originally Posted by Daiboan
Not every bush can be removed with that trick though, as their position is off by a little bit. Likewise, in some few cases, a Latern may do the job (a flower bed has it's blueprint from "bottom to top" while the latern goes from "top to bottom").
Also, what is your peoples definition of efficient?
I have simply modified my 1:1 farm/silo layout a bit and still have retained all my buildspots (which vary from player to player and their style I guess). I have a slight overproduction (for less than 1 farm) but didn't go through the hassle of offsetting either farms or silos so the ratio fits. 3 of my worst farms got a 13min+ cycle and still do 270/12 as opposed to the rest, being between 275-285/12.
I hate to interrupt, but I strongly advise against doing that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Troll-Phu
.... slow down there, why on earth would you advise against doing that?
That has been an island design technique since before Beta was finished... What could go wrong?
The chance of someone ever going to change anything around that and you losing a building because of that may not be 0, which then has tons of people whining again because they gambled building on top of that spot.
Obviously, mostly people from Zeus, who may or may not actually still play but frequently come to the forum to unload their tears, will tell you how they had a cannonforge or something expensive like that in exactly such a spot and will now quit, though you will see them the next day again regardless.
yep cause on zeus there is only 3 players leftQuote:
Originally Posted by Ceruhe
Really? who is the 3rd?Quote:
Originally Posted by Troll-Phu
TH I think