Information about the population changes

I have no spare pop. Anyone not working or troops just went awol. as mines run out, the operator of the mine just " goes away" WTF ??? I bought and built another noble, no good, didnt raise my max pop,did NOT give me ONE settler, much less the 30 it should have added. cannot run any mines. No mines = no weapons = no adventures = NO GAME. Going to have to sleep my island till you fix this, IF that day Ever comes. Guess I will go play Anno till you fix things here.........Oh wait, nothing much works right there either......maybe I should go buy a good book.
You guys need to fix this SOON.

I didn't notice any negative population on my island etc, however there was a short fall (possible that I did at some point have negative population). Build houses, add bread, done. No need to gripe at a fix that would have been much worse had they let the issue continue.

Kill off some recruits, get some loot, add more bread. Seriously....

Did ALL of that, big surprise, it did not work. I had NO issues at all till " The Fix " . So killing recruits is no fix in this case. " Build Houses" ? Maybe YOU have room for them, I do not. I did add one, did no good at all. BB should FIX the game, its just that simple. So....tell me ten more things I need to do to "fix" what they broke.

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Originally Posted by Draconus2004

I find it amusing people cannot adapt. Just because you did not go over pop limit does not mean you still owe the server some settlers. It might of wiped out your "free settlers" at which point - add some more settlers.

If you really dont have settlers to add...you need to start saving them up. It comes in handy later on when you might blow through 15k settlers in a day and 25k in 3 days.

So yes - i have 6.25m sitting in my star menu in the form of settlers (250k pop). Allows me flexibility. Something like todays update is a minor inconvenience compared to a server lagging during a block. I think their mistakes that have hurt blocking in the past give us a more legit reason to gripe then this fix that people did not know about (did you not read patch notes? but what is that, some knew about it? i knew about it and made sure i was under pop cap with free settlers to accomodate the fix...).

If you are in a pickle from this: its your own dang fault for not paying attention and reading. You deserve getting gouged by TH on nobles.

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Many people, like me, had no apparent issue with population. Mine fluctuated normally, down after an adventure, back up to the pop limit, and not beyond the limit. Unless I were to sit down and count my production count and match that against working settlers, and then verify my military count, no 'free settlers' were apparent. I do not live in the forums, I play the game. Before the 'fix,' my population was coming back UP towards the limit after an adventure. I went to bed with a very few unemployed after building wells and mines, and troops. I woke up with mines spent, wells dry, and no unemployed settlers. Claiming I am to blame, or deserve some ridicule for not noticing that I would be affected by something that didn't match the "negative unemployed settler problem" is a bit over the top. Are you here for playing TSO, or for playing the other players?

Does not take much time to learn about future updates.

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Originally Posted by Draconus2004

Does not take much time to learn about future updates.

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This one had nothing to do with me, as far as I could tell. Reading the patch note gave no indication that I had anything to prepare for.

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Originally Posted by Slapdonius

This one had nothing to do with me, as far as I could tell. Reading the patch note gave no indication that I had anything to prepare for.

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No it did not give any indication that this was going to happen. My problem is because I have no extra licenses I would have to use my gems to buy Nobles to fix the problem they created. Without any compensation for the Gems I would lose to do this. Gems cost money! And if you go out to suicide your troops then you will still not be reimbursed for the resources it cost you to make the troops to do this.

I think it's pretty clear that the consequences of this fix (messed up islands, loss of hundreds(?) of settlers, seeing a big red "zero" settler count, unhappy players) was entirely unintended. The design staff probably thought it would be a minor thing. It's pointless and annoying to blame players for not knowing about this ahead of time, either. I for one don't go around checking that my settler counts balance. I just do my island maintenance, search for collectibles, find treasures, and go on adventures, like everyone else. Anything that interferes with this makes us unhappy campers! I do agree that eliminating unemployed settlers is preferable to eliminating recruits or working settlers, so I'm glad about that part. If you have a settler shortage now, I suggest looking for settler housing on the Trade Office as those don't require building licenses. They may be costly, but they don't cost gems at least. At this point that's the best advice I would have. Overall I have to say TSO is a really good game, works well about 99% of the time (remember the balloon collecting?) and we'll get by this glitch. And please! No more blaming players for being angry!

Use bread, make retired bandits, and add them to your mayors house until your population is normal. Not a big deal.

I just visited a friend's island and saw the havoc caused by this. He has not reduced his overall population, and all his new mines and new wells are without a settler to run them. It's pretty upsetting! His population must have been way out of whack. So, here's some advice: First - go on an adventure and kill off recruits! If you don't have enough supplies for this, work with your guild to get them or to go on a cooperative adventure. It's the quickest way to solve the problem and you get something back for the effort. Second - don't build any new wells! Yes, you will run out of water eventually, but that is preferable to a shortage from mines. I also believe that when waiting for a settler, your wells and mines are queued up in the order in which they were completed - another reason to hold off on wells for as long as possible. Note that this does not apply to fields - fields are harvested one at a time and are kind of a resource like trees (even though you pay to create them). Harvesting is controlled by the settler occupying the nearest farm. Once you start seeing unemployed settlers appear, you can start up the wells again.
My guess is that anyone who has a large military is being hurt a lot by this and anyone who recently finished an adventure probably hardly notices it.

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Originally Posted by Slapdonius

This one had nothing to do with me, as far as I could tell. Reading the patch note gave no indication that I had anything to prepare for.

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Originally Posted by Queen-Andromeda

No it did not give any indication that this was going to happen. My problem is because I have no extra licenses I would have to use my gems to buy Nobles to fix the problem they created. Without any compensation for the Gems I would lose to do this. Gems cost money! And if you go out to suicide your troops then you will still not be reimbursed for the resources it cost you to make the troops to do this.

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I don't know how you can't say there was no indication if there was a 24 hour noticed on this matter that they were going to fix this. They had the maintenance info on the home page and a link to the patch notes. If you don't read the patchs notes when they fix or change something like they just did. It's your fault. You had 24 hours to kill some of your Military Units to get it under your population limit.



http://forum.thesettlersonline.net/t...l=1#post233130

• Improvements related to negative amount of working settlers

All I can see from all the complaints here is the same statement just slightly reworded.


"I can't or actively choose not to read"

Seriously people quit your moaning you have no one to blame but yourselves.

Sorry, I actively choose to disagree with that.

Howdy :), Yes was all jumbled up.... Biggest thing i noticed was: My Provisions House had 500 or so Settlers Qued in it before Maint. started. They never appeared in my Star menu. :) Thank You RIDETHEBEST *(®.®)*

Did not read this all... but in effect we had "ghost" settlers working for us. Example:

You had 1000 military, 100 working settlers, and 50 unemployed settlers before the fix. But you really had 200 buildings needing a worker. So you had a negative population of 100 - you had 100 buildings being worked by these ghosts. Pop cap is 2000 so no issues there - but you still have these ghost workers removed that need to be replaced.

After the fix, your 50 settlers went to work, replacing 50 of the ghosts. So you now have 1000 military, 150 working settlers and 0 unemployed workers plus 50 unworked buildings. Every worker created now is going straight to work. After your next settler is created you have 151 working settlers and 0 unemployed, even if you added no new buildings. If you add 25 settlers, they do not show as unemployed - they are going straight to work until the ghost workers are all replaced.

This is not as great an issue if you had 2K pop space, just time and inconvenience.

If, however, you were at pop max after the fix, you have buildings not being worked and no new settlers being created to fill the gaps.

I was at 10780/10140 after the fix with unworked buildings as I had something around 900 ghost workers. Solution? Run an RB to lose 800 military and replace them with new settlers, who went straight to work :)

Another solution is to kill off wells so those workers go to other buildings... then rebuild the wells so they get manned by the next settlers created.

This was communicated poorly no doubt, but at one point I had more military than pop space, so the fix needed to happen.

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Originally Posted by RomanGodCamper

I don't know how you can't say there was no indication if there was a 24 hour noticed on this matter that they were going to fix this. They had the maintenance info on the home page and a link to the patch notes. If you don't read the patchs notes when they fix or change something like they just did. It's your fault. You had 24 hours to kill some of your Military Units to get it under your population limit.



http://forum.thesettlersonline.net/t...l=1#post233130

• Improvements related to negative amount of working settlers

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I can easily say that, as I never had a negative amount of working settlers. Do you not understand that the patch note did NOT address anything to me about my settlers?

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Originally Posted by KingHomer

Did not read this all... but in effect we had "ghost" settlers working for us. Example:

You had 1000 military, 100 working settlers, and 50 unemployed settlers before the fix. But you really had 200 buildings needing a worker. So you had a negative population of 100 - you had 100 buildings being worked by these ghosts. Pop cap is 2000 so no issues there - but you still have these ghost workers removed that need to be replaced.

After the fix, your 50 settlers went to work, replacing 50 of the ghosts. So you now have 1000 military, 150 working settlers and 0 unemployed workers plus 50 unworked buildings. Every worker created now is going straight to work. After your next settler is created you have 151 working settlers and 0 unemployed, even if you added no new buildings. If you add 25 settlers, they do not show as unemployed - they are going straight to work until the ghost workers are all replaced.

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KH, I specifically did not have an overage of settlers. I had UNDER my population cap. I woke up to STILL UNDER my population cap, but with no unemployed settlers from overnight gains from the mayor's house and from the schoolhouse.

Slpadonius...nothing wrong with your case, it's just another scenario.

Example - before the fix: population cap 2000. Army 1500. Employed 300, Unemployed 100 - total 1900.
What happened is the number of employed settler is (was) wrong, in this example the number of buildings could be 450, although was displayed as 300 only (employed settlers). So you had a deficit of 150.

After the fix - they took all the unemployed (100) to cover your deficit plus the settlers generated during maintenance, so you have 1500 army, lets say 425 employed, and 0 unemployed. You still have a 25 settlers deficit - so next 25 generated will have to cover that minus, and only after that you will see the number greater than zero. In some cases this deficit was in hundreds/thousands so you may have to wait or drop settlers from star menu.

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Originally Posted by Slapdonius

I can easily say that, as I never had a negative amount of working settlers. Do you not understand that the patch note did NOT address anything to me about my settlers?

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I do understand, but I don't think your understanding me. Either way, even if you didn't have a negative number, it was still going down no matter what you say it was happening. So therefor you owed the game settlers. If you want the issue fix, add Retired Settlers to your mayors house until it starts going up. If you don't want to do that then you'd have to wait till the number goes up on it's own which will take days or even weeks.

Well, this fix is totally unsatisfactory. I finally got my population below my limit by doing 3 adventures and building 5 new Noble residences and upgrading them.

Now I have only 45 unemployed settlers which is not near enough to recoup all the troops I lost on those adventures.

Frankly, with a Snafu like this one, I'm seriously considering quitting the game.

A totally unprofessional screw up in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Fuscus

Slpadonius...nothing wrong with your case, it's just another scenario.

Example - before the fix: population cap 2000. Army 1500. Employed 300, Unemployed 100 - total 1900.
What happened is the number of employed settler is (was) wrong, in this example the number of buildings could be 450, although was displayed as 300 only (employed settlers). So you had a deficit of 150.

After the fix - they took all the unemployed (100) to cover your deficit plus the settlers generated during maintenance, so you have 1500 army, lets say 425 employed, and 0 unemployed. You still have a 25 settlers deficit - so next 25 generated will have to cover that minus, and only after that you will see the number greater than zero. In some cases this deficit was in hundreds/thousands so you may have to wait or drop settlers from star menu.

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I understand all of that.
Now. That was not apparent before the patch, through forum posts, patch notes, or otherwise.

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Originally Posted by RomanGodCamper

I do understand, but I don't think your understanding me. Either way, even if you didn't have a negative number, it was still going down no matter what you say it was happening. So therefor you owed the game settlers. If you want the issue fix, add Retired Settlers to your mayors house until it starts going up. If you don't want to do that then you'd have to wait till the number goes up on it's own which will take days or even weeks.

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What you seem to be not accepting is that my situation gave NO indication that I would be affected, either by what I experienced prior to the patch, or through communications presented by BB.

I know NOW that it was going to be fixed no matter what. I had NO INKLING that I had any issue that would be affected by the fix of an issue that as near as I could tell, did not affect my account.

I have already 'fixed' my lack of settlers. I understand what happened. It was a pr failure to patch it the way BB did without warning those who never had the 'negative settler' issue.

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Originally Posted by Geboren

All I can see from all the complaints here is the same statement just slightly reworded.


"I can't or actively choose not to read"

Seriously people quit your moaning you have no one to blame but yourselves.

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Geboren, your comment is quite uncalled for.




The patch note had NO INFORMATION to key me in that I would have been affected. I did not have a 'negative settlers' issue. Why you choose to be continually condescending to others is beyond me.

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Originally Posted by Slapdonius

What you seem to be not accepting is that my situation gave NO indication that I would be affected, either by what I experienced prior to the patch, or through communications presented by BB.

I know NOW that it was going to be fixed no matter what. I had NO INKLING that I had any issue that would be affected by the fix of an issue that as near as I could tell, did not affect my account.

I have already 'fixed' my lack of settlers. I understand what happened. It was a pr failure to patch it the way BB did without warning those who never had the 'negative settler' issue.

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Originally Posted by Slapdonius

Geboren, your comment is quite uncalled for.




The patch note had NO INFORMATION to key me in that I would have been affected. I did not have a 'negative settlers' issue. Why you choose to be continually condescending to others is beyond me.

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But it's okay for players to bash and attack the BB's?

What makes you think that this patch wasn't going to effect you but everyone else?... Just because you say you didn't have "negative settlers" doesn't mean you were still effected by this bug.

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Originally Posted by RomanGodCamper

But it's okay for players to bash and attack the BB's?

What makes you think that this patch wasn't going to effect you but everyone else?... Just because you say you didn't have "negative settlers" doesn't mean you were still effected by this bug.

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Like I said already, NOW I understand that. There was nothing to indicate that before the patch. Do you not accept that?


As for 'bash and attack the BB's? I do not support doing such. But, BB (the company Blue Byte) made a pr failure in the method of patch rollout. That is not an attack or bash, it is a simple fact. When as many players are complaining about how it was done, it indicates a failure of the company in question.


But, to your comment about 'this patch wasn't going to affect me but everyone else,' that is not even close to any statements I have made. I would expect anyone who experienced the 'negative settlers' to have been affected by the patch. I would also have expected that any player who did not experience the 'negative settlers' to not be affected by the patch.

How is it a failure in the method of a patch rollout? there is only like 10 people that are complaining about it.. So why isn't there anymore then that? I don't know... If there is over 10,000 People that understand then its not a failure.

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Originally Posted by RomanGodCamper

How is it a failure in the method of a patch rollout? there is only like 10 people that are complaining about it.. So why isn't there anymore then that? I don't know... If there is over 10,000 People that understand then its not a failure.

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It is a mistake to conclude that only those complaining either experienced the rollout the way I did, or felt it was poorly done.

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Originally Posted by Slapdonius

It is a mistake to conclude that only those complaining either experienced the rollout the way I did, or felt it was poorly done.

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It is a mistake to conclude otherwise. And i have not been 'continually condescending'. I helped countless people yesterday solve this problem! So if you find it condescending that i knew what to do to resolve any issues players had. Not my problem :)

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Originally Posted by Geboren

It is a mistake to conclude otherwise. And i have not been 'continually condescending'. I helped countless people yesterday solve this problem! So if you find it condescending that i knew what to do to resolve any issues players had. Not my problem :)

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I was one of those you 'helped.' Yes, you were being very condescending. Telling others to 'rage quit' over it, multiple times, as you did yesterday, is not helping others one bit. It is trolling.


but, as to 'mistake to conclude otherwise, there were definitely more than 10 simply in the help chat yesterday. And, it is typical that not everyone experiencing a problem will speak up about it. In fact, it is much more common that only a subset of those affected will speak up.

Those i told to rage quit were either those who refused to listen to advice, or those who go so incessant over the advice given and became rude and absuive to other players trying to help them. Yes I lost patience a few times after helping nearly 140 people with the problem. However nearly every single one had the issue resolved! Pretty good track record I think.

Most when explained why understood the fix and why the changes occured, others... well if its not done their way they dont want to listen.

You guys have too much time on your hands :)

I think we should have ghost settlers in the shop at Halloween time! lol. Lighten up everyone - time marches on!

i understand there was a glitch and people had a over population on the game but players didn't cause the glitch so why do we have to suffer after you fixed the glitch

It is always the players who suffer when there is a glitch.

suffer? really? you should have known how may workyards you have and thus how many workers you needed!!! they only set it right nothing was taken from anyone. easy math if i have 100 workyards and only 30 settlers working then sooner or later it's going to be fixed and it was!!! so stop the whinning and build more housing or kill some troops simple. or tear down some workyards if you don't want that many workers

I knew about this problem weeks ago and contacted support about why I had -37 workers. They said it was a bug and they are/were working on it. When they did the correction I ran an adventure and killed off some troops. I placed a Dark Castle and now have several nobles going to lvl 5. I had to do this because the game was wrong. It was nothing I did. If this bug had not been here I wouldn't have to do extra work(suffer). My point is the players suffer when bugs are present/fixed.

It is called rehypothecation, it has stretched into the online world from the real world.

ok let's get this clear when you try to add say brews from the star
menu it says you can't do that as I have reached the max for that item
so when I stated adding settlers from the star menu and it let me
it never occurred to me that hold on there's going to be a bug in the
script that controls the population of my settlers and that you could
actually over populate your game my crystal ball must be faulty and I will
have to return it to the shop

I fail to see how it is fair some of you got a LOAN of over 1k extra troops AT NO COST for months on end, while i only had a loan of about 250 troops.

That is COMPLETELY UNFAIR and BB owes me compensation for you benefiting more than I did.

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Originally Posted by Draconus2004

I fail to see how it is fair some of you got a LOAN of over 1k extra troops AT NO COST for months on end, while i only had a loan of about 250 troops.

That is COMPLETELY UNFAIR and BB owes me compensation for you benefiting more than I did.

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Good point. Those that knowingly abused this bug for months on end should be banned.