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wow - you guys really struggle with helping us deplete our vast accumulation of guild coins. If you KEEP THE ZOMBIE - you would get us to zero within 3 months. But there is not a single item of the choices much less the actual vote winners that I will purchase with guild coins. Zero.
oh well. The game has just never made a serious effort to support guilds - beyond the power of conducting meaningless votes. Where are we Syria?
battle hardened general, Paula's box, and fairy fire
None of the above, I would like something useful like a recycling plant
No brainer: Battle Hardend Gen the rest I don't care about.
battle hardened gen is the only thing i will buy with the guild coins, or even remotely need.
On occasion i think the fairy fire can come in handy especially given the summer event will heavily rely on collectibles. Chant of focus may also be tempting as well. I suppose i have over 90k guild coins so spending them doesnt really bother me so much and obviously i dont spend them often.
i dont find the zombie worth it- i have hundreds of rainbow buffs in star and no need for zombiesQuote:
Originally Posted by Domesday
BHG is trash, useless with all the vets, major and MMAs going around, it will just sit in star and go to waste. If i thought PvP was going to come out then i would be all for another gen but.... yeah.... Village school and fairy fire
it's NOT a PAULA's box it's the crappy one from valentines day buddy's
nothing there to vote on,its all crap so i didn't vote
Price seems high on the battle hardened... village school it is, the choices in the second category to sink guild coins also seem to lack anything at all worth buying...
i went with the storehouse cuase the bread the school would save me doesn't justify the upgrades cost/space it requires. didn't pick the BHG cause i allready have way too many gens as it is now although would definatly be good for someone starting to get another gen basically for just being in a guild. the second part was like can't i just pick 2 or 3 do i have really vote for 8. so i gues i just went with alot of garbage. so 2 co-ops not doing as good as you thought BB? well seeing that most of the time ppl get trapped on them should have been no surprise.
I voted for the 8 that offend me the least.
AGREED - It stinks not being able to make a "bullet" vote for 2 or 3 items Id like to have be included. By making us vote 8 times regardless - you can draw the FAULTY conclusion that we like all those things - sheesh - you guys ever study the nature of poll taking?Quote:
Originally Posted by G_F_M
roflmfaoQuote:
Originally Posted by wimpy
Did someone at BB use a dart board to come up with those items and pricing? For most part they seem to hover around 3.75 guild coins/gem but then you have the BHG which is almost 8 guild coins/gem. And .... rabbit food? 1000 meat deposit only costs 200 fish, 300 water, and 16 minutes to make. Why would anyone pay any amount of guild coins for that?
Nah, they played a game called "Eni mini miny moe" and that's how they came up with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by CL_Spikescopilot
for the 8 i went with the most ridiculous ones (advanced paper and book fittings)- time to undercut guild shop.....
I secretly love when everyone gets mad over materials that cost you in-game resources vs real money. They are giving you the chance to buy stuff that you would only be able to get with gems. BHG are only bought with gems. Villages schools are limited to 3 which i would really love to have more as a level 50. The ISH is also bought with gems. The rest of it has to be assorted to appeal to from Level 1 to level 50's so its hard to says that they are drawn at random. Sure the meat and marble seems useless so send that message with not voting for them. People seem to love bitching and complaining and asking for impossible things. Not everything in the guild market will be useful for everyone. DEAL WITH IT.
What offers me more is the fact the two CL post complaining about the pricing and how they pick them (serious post or not). CL should have a separte forum in which to complain if they so choose. You are,according to the BB_Rawren post, to collect valuable information on game-related issues and community concerns for the Community Manager to relay back to the development team. With the post you both made it seems like you have formed your own opinion instead of listening to everyone else and reporting it. I am not saying you're not allowed to have your own opinion but as a CL you have kinda agreed to be everyone mouths instead of just your own.
BHG because I need to transfer military back and forth fast like and who wants to waste a Vet on that?
ISH you can buy in TO, village schools and the BHG are in a seperate category (limited items). Therefore we would all be better off with either the BHG or School. I personally voted for the school becasue i have so many BHGs that already do nothing but sit in star, but i dont really care what wins.Quote:
Originally Posted by CiscoMODE
im not even sure the survey site worked correctly for me. i never got a 'finished' page. it kept sending me back to make the 8 choices again and again :(
Improved Storehouse
Inspirational Speech, Chant of Focus, The Siege, The Buccaneer Roundup, and since I can vote for more, the following lower priority items: Book finish, Tidy Staples, Mystery Box...aaaand lets be perhaps silly and say Fairy Fire.
1) I never complained about the price.Quote:
Originally Posted by CiscoMODE
2) I only guessed on how they picked them and never complained about out.
3) If you can't take a joke. Then I don't know
Not once did I complain. So re-frame from making stuff up please. If you got issues about CL's stating opinions or posting stuff because they don't like it either. Send a support ticket in.
Most of the stuff we can vote for ill never use or buy. But, useful buffs like the zombie... for us who don't have tons of rainbow buffs, i would vote to stay!!
and the true colors start to showQuote:
Originally Posted by CL_RGC
I voted for the improved storehouse. Lower level players could benefit greatly from increased storage.
I free play, I haven't an opinion on the cost/value of the items. Gem buyers are probably the only players who understand what the value is.
If you have every item, what's the sense in playing?
for the thrill of the TROLLQuote:
Originally Posted by Forrell
Unless they actually come out with revolutionary content, the village school does me more good then the rest. I can always buy imp stores with coin, and another 200 gen does me nothing. 2 MMA 4 vets 1 major 1 QM means my fast-200 gens are nearly obsolete as is.
i can understand why non-gem buyers and newer players would want another gen though. Imp storehouse is just a stupid choice.
Having to pick 8 from that second list though made me feel unclean. the fairy fires will be nice for events, adv for guild coin is not an awful one, nor is chant of focus. many of the others.....just dont make sense for most servers and players.
We are not official representatives of BB, and as players of the game we're allowed to express our opinions too. We voice the community's concerns to BB right now, and we bring back information to you from BB. Other than that, we have no special powers. If you'd rather that I operate in secret and you never see what I take to BB and what I don't, I'd be happy to do that for you. But most of the other people on our server that have brought me concerns in chat and in whisper have been happy to see that I actually still express my own personal opinion too as opposed to some non-existent BB party line.Quote:
Originally Posted by CiscoMODE
Sorry!
I specifically chose the school because you can get BHGs at events and they do sit around in the star, but the school (unlike the storehouse) is not tradeable; so I'd love to get one more of those. But where things got tricky was having to pick 8 from the remaining items.Quote:
Originally Posted by RobertPaulson
Where do I vote? Is there a link somewhere?
On the log in screen but I think the time has expired.
While the voting itself appears to have completed, there are some factors that should be looked at when making decisions for the relative value of items. Generally, these factors deal with the benefit of the item, cost, and ability to substitute. In looking at these, I will also attempt to address some of the points raised by others in the thread. I will attempt to use standard measurements, and in cases where those are arguable, the reason for using these assumed measures.
The improved storehouse essentially gives three times the storage of normal storehouse using a 3x2 footprint, which is larger than the standard 2x2 storehouse. The space consideration is more relevant for more established players where moving buildings would be an issue and there is less ability to construct new production nodes. The overall space saving is only 50% due to the difference in footprint, although it does provide the full improvement for the cost of upgrading.
The village school produces one settler per level of the school every 2 hours, using a 2x2 footprint. The other methods of increasing or providing settlers are buffs and conversion from bread, with the more common being bread. The standard ratio of production, with some variance due to travel time, is one bakery requires two flour-mills (and two wells) which requires four farms. For more advanced players, it would also include four silos to balance the farms. The settler production of the village school is approximately three-quarters of a bakery of the same level; this means a single school will replace 8.25 buildings, not including the water production requirement which will vary based on the method used by the player. The footprint difference is 4 units for the school and 33 units for the buildings (including normal silos but not water production). One thing of note is that the village school effectively has the same ideal effective grain production as an improved silo. Generally, as noted earlier, this will have less of an impact on more advanced players where there is already an established production for bread, but will still aid those able to convert for space conservation.
The Battle Hardened General (BHG) can hold 200 units and has a faster battle and travel time. The analysis for this has to differ from buildings due to the benefits, but the comparison should be made with other units. There is no combat benefit to the BHG itself (the attack mechanics are no different from the tavern general); the benefit in combat comes solely from the ability to use in blocks. While there is no saving in troops when compared to the tavern general, it does also allow for some increased flexibility in doing waves with blocks as well, as well as the shorter revival time allowing it to be sacrificed more frequently. The biggest issues with the BHG general are the replaceablity and cost. Aside from blocking, the benefit of the BHG can be replaced by two tavern generals, which would provide the same overall transport time and revival speed. The cost of 9520 guild coins also makes a big difference in the ability of players to obtain the BHG. Looking player levels 26-35 and 36-45, the range of guild coins obtained from each daily guild quest is a minimum of 48 and 64 guc (10-20 player guild) and a maximum of 104 and 120 guc (over 56 player guild). This gives an upper range of 198 quests and 149 quests and a lower range of 92 quests and 80 quests. The best case scenario for a guild that completes the quests daily and the player also completes it daily would be getting the guild coins in about eleven and a half weeks, as compared to the cost in gems that would be given in twelve and a half weeks to buy the same general. For reference, the other choices were both set at 2850, or a bit less than a third of the price.
Overall, I would say the village school gives the best value of the offerings. The improved storehouse ultimately offers less to the player in the long run without any cost savings, and of the choices, is the only one that can be traded in the trading office and thus obtainable without using gems. The BHG also has a limited savings for players with a cost that makes it prohibitive to the people who are most likely to benefit from it.
well i think it comes down to whatever the person voting wants! plain and simple you can argue for this or that or complain but at the end of the day the majority will win. no need for a cost comparison or some crazy trump/buffet logic.
I wanna thank our CL's, specially spikes for actually taking the community thing serious. They may listen to you guys more than they listen to us. Village school is only thing worth anything that they listed
Too many items are already free. We're going in the wrong direction if long term fiscal viability is a goal.
Membership (gem buying) should have its benefits.
Special buildings should remain exclusive to players who contribute principal in support of tso.
My main issue with the guild market vote is they gave us so few choices for the second one. Most of the items we voted for are trash, with a few gems. We needed a lot more choices so we could show what we actually value.
I also find it pretty bad they cant use statistics to find out what is valued. Thats just poor game management.
Would like to, at least, have the option of voting to keep some of the items currently available. Then I MAY be able to find a total of 8 I would want to vote for.