Player Giveaways and Contests

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Originally Posted by Milo_Orpheus

1: trade is not dependent on chatting about it
2: people engaging people in their trades, even if they are giveaways, does not stop you from peddling your wares in trade. It just makes people less interested in your trades if the other trades being offered are more interesting, welcome to capitalism 101.
3: you can mute people you do not want to hear from and no one is forced to say anything to these people unless they want to participate
4: your other issues listed are completely unrelated to the issue at hand and you are free to write a ticket about them.
5: Creating a new rule because you dont like what someone else is doing is petty and ridiculous.

Saying you dont like what someone else is doing and choosing to not participate in it is one thing, trying to coerce everyone else into being forced to do things how you want them done is quite another. Mute him and move on, and if your friends are participating in events with him then you can take that issue up with your friends, and if you have to mute so many people to avoid having to see what you consider spam that there is no one left, well, then that is a personal problem and shouldnt be made into our problem.

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To address your points Milo, in order:

1: To a large extent it is. Particularly if you're trying to move things quickly For example, selling a lootspot before your premium time runs out, etc. You can't just post a fish for 10k coins and hope someone buys it without being able to advertise effectively in the Trade tab.
2. Someone giving away insignificant amounts of basic mats and resources in no way competes with my 10k coin lootspot. That has nothing to do with capitalism.
3. As I've said before, even if I mute (ignore) them, they are still monopolizing the tab and space.
4. No reason to write a ticket, there are plenty of global channels. All of our interests can coexist harmoniously if we just have a bit of common courtesy for the other guy ;-)
5. As this server develops and actions and/or ideas develop, new rules will need to be put in place to keep things fun for everyone.

I really don't see how asking someone who's going to monopolize the trade tab for 20-30 mins to do it in global whatever is coercing anyone to do anything.......except have a bit of courtesy for other players.

I'm surprised a Mod or BB have yet to post in here.

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Originally Posted by RomanGodCamper

I'm surprised a Mod or BB have yet to post in here.

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Agree 100% RGC except I'd like clarification from a BB. Why can't a BB just post the rule? Seems like we have a second hand account of what BB has said which conflicts with what the mod has posted.

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Originally Posted by Dirkjon

Agree 100% RGC. Why can't a BB just post the rule?

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They don't want to get involved. That is probably why they won't post anything.

If anything, They should give a standard rule for free player Give away's or Trivia on which Channel to use.

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Originally Posted by Dirkjon

To address your points Milo, in order:

1: To a large extent it is. Particularly if you're trying to move things quickly For example, selling a lootspot before your premium time runs out, etc. You can't just post a fish for 10k coins and hope someone buys it without being able to advertise effectively in the Trade tab.
2. Someone giving away insignificant amounts of basic mats and resources in no way competes with my 10k coin lootspot. That has nothing to do with capitalism.
3. As I've said before, even if I mute (ignore) them, they are still monopolizing the tab and space.
4. No reason to write a ticket, there are plenty of global channels. All of our interests can coexist harmoniously if we just have a bit of common courtesy for the other guy ;-)
5. As this server develops and actions and/or ideas develop, new rules will need to be put in place to keep things fun for everyone.

I really don't see how asking someone who's going to monopolize the trade tab for 20-30 mins to do it in global whatever is coercing anyone to do anything.......except have a bit of courtesy for other players.

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You have mentioned LS many times in your reply. The rule being proposed would make LS illegal when the zealous mods interpret the rule to encompass all 1 fish trades. As someone who sells LS you should know that BB support already does not respond to any LS related issues and when the mods do ban selling ls as part of this rule you will have no one in support to help you. If someone wants to give something away, trade or help is the right place to do it. If other people interacting in trade makes it harder or slower for you to move your goods, that should not be a cause for trying to get people banned. Your time constraints are not other people's and there shouldnt be rules to force people to do things the way that best serves you. You probably havent even considered that giveaways like this draw people to trade who otherwise would never even look at it and actually brings you more people to trade with. If trade is truly scrolling so fast that no one can see a ls you post then they wouldnt be able to see anything anyone is posting so how would the giveaway even work? If people are just responding slower then it doesnt matter where the event is held when you post the ls because if it was in global 1 or 2 then everyone participating would be over there and not looking at trade.

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Originally Posted by Milo_Orpheus

You really need some education on what communism is. Giving stuff away is not communism, the government claiming ownership of everything you own and redistributing it has been what governments who call themselves communist did do but that is not communism either. Communism is working together (without trade or currency) to meet the needs of all, something that no human government has ever managed to pull off. Furthermore your teach how to fish rather than give a fish line is beyond stupid in the context of this game because while addicting people to handouts in the real world can cause them to stop progressing (often by draconian requirements attached to said hand outs forcing them to not work, not get married, not get a job, etc if they want to keep getting benefits), in the context of this game handouts accelerates progress, it doesn't inhibit it.

Lastly and more to the point, the reason trivia is in trade is because of absurd interpretations of the 'rules' by out of control mods who have arbitrarily decided that trivia is not allowed in global-1 because its trade. If you were really paying attention to the new rule they are trying to set up you would see that the new rule while yes it would stop giveaways from being posted in global-1, help, and trade it would further be interrupted by the same out of control mods to make giveaways illegal altogether which would just happen to have the side effect of posting 1 fish for 1k coins illegal which would just happen to make selling ls in TO illegal. And you are supporting this rule simply because you are upset that someone dares to post something in trade that you dont like and you want rules and regulations to be imposed rather than simply muting the people who are annoying you.

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Dude, you really need to take a break from your computer. Im all about giving away free things to people but making a contest out of it and cluttering trade tab is selfish. There are other players in this game who would like to sell things and or buy things by advertising in Trade Tab and if a contest is held in trade tab there advertisement will easily be lost in clutter. We all just just voted on where contests should be held, i did not see anywhere on the answer selections that giveaways should be done with, rather moved to a different tab. it looks like you are brand new to this game so im sure you love the fact that you can get free resources but your not thinking about all the other players who also use trade tab to actual post trades. Why do you think player held auctions are held in g2-30? why do you think the scientist hold his trivia in g2-30? because they are nice enough to not take over trade tab and disable other players from being able to post trades without it being lost in trivia clutter. luckily we rarely have this problem in Zeus because most of the players who are in trade tab actually use it to trade things......

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Originally Posted by Milo_Orpheus

You have mentioned LS many times in your reply. The rule being proposed would make LS illegal when the zealous mods interpret the rule to encompass all 1 fish trades. As someone who sells LS you should know that BB support already does not respond to any LS related issues and when the mods do ban selling ls as part of this rule you will have no one in support to help you. If someone wants to give something away, trade or help is the right place to do it. If other people interacting in trade makes it harder or slower for you to move your goods, that should not be a cause for trying to get people banned. Your time constraints are not other people's and there shouldnt be rules to force people to do things the way that best serves you. You probably havent even considered that giveaways like this draw people to trade who otherwise would never even look at it and actually brings you more people to trade with. If trade is truly scrolling so fast that no one can see a ls you post then they wouldnt be able to see anything anyone is posting so how would the giveaway even work? If peo ple are just responding slower then it doesnt matter where the event is held when you post the ls because if it was in global 1 or 2 then everyone participating would be over there and not looking at trade.

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Whaaaaatf are you talking about? LS illegal? When was that proposed by BB? If someone wants to auction something that's a trade. Is the trade tab the right place to do it? And I do agree that nobody should get banned over it, that's absurd. We need rules to make the game enjoyable for everyone......not just me and not just you. Why is it so difficult to hold giveaways in g anything but trade? I really just don't understand that.

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Originally Posted by Dirkjon

Whaaaaatf are you talking about? LS illegal? When was that proposed by BB? If someone wants to auction something that's a trade. Is the trade tab the right place to do it? And I do agree that nobody should get banned over it, that's absurd. We need rules to make the game enjoyable for everyone......not just me and not just you. Why is it so difficult to hold giveaways in g anything but trade? I really just don't understand that.

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This rule being proposed right now would make selling LS illegal because LS are 1 fish trades. In BB land LS do not exist, the only thing that does exist to them is a trade of something for a fish. If you have ever tried to contact support about an LS issue you would know that for them LS are not a thing. If they are not a thing then suddenly the trade is only a 'giveaway'. The giveaways are in trade because the mods have banned them everywhere else already.

WHere in this thread does it say anything about making lootspots illegal?