New Directon

So let me get this right. Mechanics of the combat stays the same, recruits and bowmen stay the same (as now on life not as now on test), instead the epic adventure enemies are changed and loot is changed as well. Additional we are going to see adjustments to weapon production cycles and resources needed and changed times for training advanced units.

If I got this right... it means devs came to their senses after an overwhelming response from players. More carrot not stick. See? We can all get along... :) And since I was very vocal about the insanity of the "balance" and applying it to the whole game - let me also congratulate the devs on the expansion islands. Awesome work. Pvp will be tested and we will see how it works, but it seems like a very decent and well thought design. Congratz on this too.

I have to agree with this from what i have seen so far, and it is limited i am happy.

However i had the belief that the adventure loot would be "balanced" and perhaps meant no more weapons in loot. Again i thought was acceptable.

However here is the loot i got from an island of the pirates which was considered a resource adventure:

http://i.imgur.com/8aPlRDz.jpg

For that little, there's no point to that adventure then.

Good job on your new direction, BBs!

So they do one thing right and the next second they screw up another? Seriously? 200 exo planks from a resource adventure? *facepalm* yep. I hope they are still changing the loot, otherwise...one question: Who is the moron who approved this loot for IOTP? It is a RESOURCE adventure not XP adventure...God have mercy on those people, because the karma is gonna hit them so freaking hard...

lol, if IOTP (resource adv) gives 200 exo wood and (I assume) 200 granite, than how much the xp adventures will give? 15 exo wood and 15 granite?

This is the reason why people don't give you credit BB's...Are you OUT OF YOUR FREAKING MINDS? This is a 1/4 of what it was before? A fish deposit? Why don't you use it on the aquarium in your office...I just can't believe it...

I love the description in the loot "They donate their riches to you.." 200 wood, 600 tools, 400 fish and 55 settlers. This is not resource adventure. This is a robbery adventure. Robbing you of resources :)

I understand BB trying to change things, I get it. Take the nerf slider and slide it a bit, not all way down... There should be a law forcing game coders to play the game they design and not only look at the numbers. Sigh... Still would probably need a Commone sense 101 class in college anyway.

Looks like there might not be any adventures worth playing after this.

I will say current iotp has too high of rewards for a low level adventure, but since it's a 'resource' adventure with a fairly bad XP/Loss ratio, cutting it by like 75% is too much. You can make it less worth a 50 doing, but don't make it bad for a newer player who likely will be struggling for resources.

What is the typical drop for other adventures in testing now?

i like diretion better than directon but different stroks right?

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I will say current iotp has too high of rewards for a low level adventure, but since it's a 'resource' adventure with a fairly bad XP/Loss ratio, cutting it by like 75% is too much. You can make it less worth a 50 doing, but don't make it bad for a newer player who likely will be struggling for resources.

What is the typical drop for other adventures in testing now?

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That's why we like it. :P

Nerfing the loot 50% and removing weapons is already pretty good. I agree Koshko> I am assuming the 200 exo logs is the equivalent of the 800 logs on life? So that will be 200 exo or 125 granite or 250 exo and 200 granite. The tools/ settlers are meh but the fish depo? Unacceptable. This is a resource adventure it supposed to give some decent amount of resources. Not minimum amount...

The loot nerf doesn't hurt level 50's near as much as it hurts those trying to level up and build there island.

Ditto Ornias. I understand they are adjusting the loot still (hopefully). I wonder what other adventures loot tables look like now... If a resource advie gives 200 granite how much will xp one give?

This isn't the first time the loot table has changed. I expect it will change again in sometime in the future.

Lol and what if it doesn't? :)

Here is the loot from a Dark Priests I ran on the test server

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50 grranite, 86 horses, 150 tools and a +100 fish refill... 60 star coins

Lol, seems they just nerfed all loot down to 25% of what it is on life and add fish depo :) Who's got time to figure loot in adventures..:) Code a formula nerfing all loot to 25%, switch few depos and we got it:)

Thanks for posting the results Rachel. My comment to the devs is ..."?!..."

The title of this thread is "New Directon". I think I might just consider a new direction. I'll be heading South.

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The title of this thread is "New Directon". I think I might just consider a new direction. I'll be heading South.

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for the winter?

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for the winter?

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Be sure to come back for your much awaited pvp, everyone :)

Is there a BB post about the new direction that anyone can point me to?

Still seems like overcomplicating things. Why nerf the rest of the loot? No one ever suggested that people are imbalancing the game by earning too much granite, wood, or whatever. Just take out weapons, bring weapon-less loot live tomorrow, and see how the economy sorts things out. You can always tweak more later if you fear people are simply winning too large a supply of fish deposits.

Muddymutt, that would be logical, common sense approach. That is not the case at BB office :) You see they wanted to nerf us on adventures, had to abort it or they would have empty servers. But there is this unused nerf bat that was being polished, prepared for such a huge swings.. and nothing:(

Wouldn't you be pissed off if you worked on something for 6 moths just to find out that you have to trow it down to the toilet because "few" dummy players don't share your "epic" vision of a transformed game? The days of preparation, production, calculations needed to do an adventure, that was a brilliant idea! Now the nerfers feel the need to justify their wasted time on the useless project. So here we go swing this nerf bat bay, swing it hard! Let the rage condensed in you to punk those loot numbers down!

Sarcasm off, removing loot form adventures and making epic ones harder so we have to waste M,S, LB and ES/Xbows to do them is plenty. I have never seen market over saturated with granite, titanium or exo wood... Is this a problem on any server? BB doesn't understand the simple fact. The 50ies doing 2-4 RB's a day are the only reason the prices of epic loot are still in check with all the other players needing so much of that loot to properly function. If there wasn't a demand for it and stuff would pile up in SH with no buyers, no one would do them.

Most players see removing weapons from loot already a nerf (especially from epic adventures). I have recently started upgrading the advance weapons chain and let me tell you... Those 120k of granite needed to do this looks much better on paper. It is a heroic freaking effort to get it. ONLY to make weapons I will use anyway and not sale (only have 1 of each build). Again, coders who don't play the game have no idea how "easy" it is to get all that granite for upgrades ONLY.

http://forum.thesettlersonline.net/t...PvP-Sneak-Peek - the link to the official proposed changes (after feedback) Here is the qoute:

"Current Battle System adjustment overview:
Adventure loot will be restructured.
Production times and costs for high level units will be adjusted
Enemy types used in Epic Raids will be adjusted
Weapon production times will be adjusted
The basic combat mechanics, the content of low- and mid-level adventures (other than the loot)
and the low level units (i.e. Recruits) will not be changed."

So they are letting go of changing all advies probably to about 35-37 lev. Everything up will be changed (including Outlaws, BK, SE, RB DB and of course FT). And they are also nerfing the loot on all advies.

Still lots of room to fubar things. Example: proposed loot drops to IOTP. I also want to see their idea of "Adjusting" production time and cost of advance weapons and units.

Makes me think about Nords... Currently if they are shifted into "changed adventure" you will have to give up the loot to get xp (last leader requires multiple sacs to clear - just not worth it). Than again, if they nerf the loot in it as well, might not be worth at all, just xp for killing camps that are easier to do..

Nerfing loot has its own issue too. What if most adventures will just not be worth doing (in players judgement) for the resource/time cost of doing them? Will players still find the game appealing if the cornerstone of it looses its value?

loot from traitors on Test

granite is going to cost 10gc...before everyone quits

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granite is going to cost 10gc...before everyone quits

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On zeus granite is pushing 6-7c per already. GoGo BB swing that nerf axe!

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So they are letting go of changing all advies probably to about 35-37 lev. Everything up will be changed (including Outlaws, BK, SE, RB DB and of course FT). And they are also nerfing the loot on all advies.

Still lots of room to fubar things. Example: proposed loot drops to IOTP. I also want to see their idea of "Adjusting" production time and cost of advance weapons and units.

Makes me think about Nords... Currently if they are shifted into "changed adventure" you will have to give up the loot to get xp (last leader requires multiple sacs to clear - just not worth it). Than again, if they nerf the loot in it as well, might not be worth at all, just xp for killing camps that are easier to do..

Nerfing loot has its own issue too. What if most adventures will just not be worth doing (in players judgement) for the resource/time cost of doing them? Will players still find the game appealing if the cornerstone of it looses its value?

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There isn't a single adventure worth doing at 1/4th loot, not even the easy XP ones.

Lol I jumped the gun too soon:) Apparently after "reviewing" the proposed changes BB increased even more dmg on FT enemies, left splash dmg on all and REMOVED splash dmg from our units (making them even less effective). I love reading the test server:P

What is with all these fish deposits?

I'd do Outlaws and Horseback for 1/4 the loot. Now I don't even really care about the loot when I'm trying to build my experience, though not having those resources to sell would have sucked when I was still building my island.

BB_Mara on test "The new loot is only the first iteration and will get further adjustments within the next weeks/versions."

We know you do, we hope you do, we understand and cheer for you to do. What pisses people off is not the fact that we understand, know and hope. People are pissed off because of your FIRST proposed change to loot NERFING IT to 1/4 of what it was AND REMOVING weapons on the top of it.

Do you understand the frustration? The reason for the frustration is your (BB) IDEAS of such a huge nerf that 99% of player base don't see worth doing adventures anymore. The frustration comes from you (BB) NOT KNOWING what players deem reasonable or worth. Lack of understanding why we play the game and lack of communication.

As some one on test put it quite eloquently "Get off you ferarris you bought from our gems and stop pissing your player base off, or you gonna have to find yourself another game to design..." The one sure result of your proposed changes is people holding up on gem purchases. 5 of my guildies decided NOT to buy 2nd MA after they saw how you freaking nerfed it to the ground on test!

You are upsetting a lot of adult customers here and this will have consequences in future, hell it already puts people who were willing to spend gems into just "wait and see". DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS BB? Start doing things with common sense and LISTEN to your player feedback (turn down the hip music in your ferarris and read few posts on test forums-there is 10x more frustration than here).

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What is with all these fish deposits?

I'd do Outlaws and Horseback for 1/4 the loot. Now I don't even really care about the loot when I'm trying to build my experience, though not having those resources to sell would have sucked when I was still building my island.

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I'd still do Horseback too. I do it because it's quick experience.

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What is with all these fish deposits?

I'd do Outlaws and Horseback for 1/4 the loot. Now I don't even really care about the loot when I'm trying to build my experience, though not having those resources to sell would have sucked when I was still building my island.

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Game without fun rewards is just boring. :(

well they can't all be winners. thats right little johnny not everyones wins. mommy lied, life is tough, deal with it. track what you get it averages out in the long run. no where did it state 100% awesome rewards every search

Troll-Phu there is a difference. Yes not all are winners. I find about 16 adventures now worth doing (not counting FT). Changing loot and reducing the number to 2 of them (out of 16) worth doing it is quite drastic shift wouldn't you agree?

there ALL worth doing one way or another be it for a quest, cheese points, loot, XP, or just to kill some troops. what do you want a super return on every adventure? not going to happen thats why ppl trade, produce, and run adventures there is no profit (afterall it's only pixels) so we won't be able to do 10 RBs a day. what good is the 10 bazillion coins going to do you. there's no real use for them....well maybe a little moving buildings when bored or with island expansions. i blame prem making too many players lvl 50 in too short of a time frame. and all that extra loot letting for way too many upgrades flooding the market with coin

How about adding a small chance for some epic buildings. 1 or 2 percent for a frozen manor, bone church etc. I know that may interfere with their gem sales for Invasion of the Nords, but at least it would give us some incentive to do the adventures.

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maybe a little moving buildings when bored or with island expansions.

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Now when you're bored, you'll have your pvp to challenge and accomplish. :)

Rewards are fun, too, though.

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