PvP - where is the "player" part?

BB just can't get a break can they... After 2 years of development, and 1 day of playing players are asking where is the "pvp" in the PvP. From the test:

"To be honest this is rather like a random matchmaking system not PVP that doesnt make a difference from a players perspective... As you cant direct attack anyone, you dont even know who your attacking
Does it really make a differenece if the colony belongs to a player or controlled by the system??"

"Up to now, there is no sense in attacking a colony of another player, as it has at least the same amounts of enemies and most probably some more enemies at the colony compared to an AI colony which has not yet been captured by another player.
Where is the PvP? I still see only AI-controlled units which I have to defend. I have done this for two years in boring and ever-same adventures now ... I do not need the same with just differently colored units."


"I also wrote about the need of at least some kind of personal/guild leaderboards with maybe weekly/monthly rewards to make this system a bit more attractive. Now you can't compete with anyone, not even with friends in a ranking list.

About the rest, I also don't see much point in the valor point buildings as the amount of islands you need to conquer to buy one is extreme. Note that a skilled player can probably conquer your island after the 12 safe hours anyways. I think the find a colony feature on the explorer has boosted speed for testing purposes and on live servers it could take hours to find one. If you cancel the found colony you will lose the resources used to find it."

"Exactly. At the moment PVP seems to be nothing but a resource sink, just like several adventures will be after the combat re-balancing patch. I don's see much point wasting effort, time and resources into something that isn't neither rewarding or interesting."

Sigh. 2 years deemed a fail within 24hrs of testing. Epic. I would personally see more sense in allowing players to keep the captured island forever, while the resource production on it runs. Each passing week of a player keeping the island will increase the loot (%wise) as a reward to another player re-capturing it. Score boards would have to be made to clearly see who are the "whales" and which island capturing offers best bounty. This way veterans of pvp would have to defend it often and fluff themselves with satisfaction of keeping it. Likewise the attackers could claim the glory and fame of retaking an island.

Nah, it will not happen. Too much coding...

once more "colonies" are established i'm sure you will find player "x"'s island and attack it. as for rewards from what i am seeing it's the valor points you get fo attcaking/defending your colony. i might be wrong but so far thats what i get from this expeditions thingy

You are right, valor is from doing expeditions. But at this point only gives defense buildings? Costly as hell and.. quite pointless since you are going to lose the island in 7 days anyway? I am not irked about it, people who tested it are. I just don't understand. There was a huge thread where players were giving ideas about how pvp can work. Over last 2 years. Quite few were really cool. And we got this. Unless there is something worthy coming to be purchased from valor that we don't know yet this will be mostly 1 time try for players. Give it a shot to experience it and.. put it on the shelf because of cost vs reward (again). It smells like fail...

And anyone who knows anything about pvpers clearly understands the need of score boards and allowing friends/guildies to get to attack each other if they chose to (some voluntary invite to "duel match" mechanism wouldn't be a problem). Where is this element? Am I missing something? Or is it me or something is terrible missing in here..

BB should give the name of the player the island belongs to?

i'm sure there will be some tweaking on rewards and costs of items. give it some time the best thing to do is go test and give positive feedback. just going off saying how bad it is will get no where. give them your honest opinion and maybe a solution or a middle point this is suppose to challange us not just another check the box where's my reward deal

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Originally Posted by Troll-Phu

i'm sure there will be some tweaking on rewards and costs of items. give it some time the best thing to do is go test and give positive feedback. just going off saying how bad it is will get no where. give them your honest opinion and maybe a solution or a middle point this is suppose to challange us not just another check the box where's my reward deal

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What he said. PVP is far from being done, give feedback and don't just bash (not saying you are), as it doesn't help where they need to adjust. AND REMEMBER IT JUST A GAME.

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Originally Posted by Troll-Phu

i'm sure there will be some tweaking on rewards and costs of items. give it some time the best thing to do is go test and give positive feedback. just going off saying how bad it is will get no where. give them your honest opinion and maybe a solution or a middle point this is suppose to challange us not just another check the box where's my reward deal

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Totally agree. I haven't played on test enough yet to have formed an opinion. If all I did was rely on what's selectively copied from test and posted on this forum, I'd never make it over there to find out for myself what's really happening, or offer my ideas of what might make it better.

I am still trying to figure out the details of the combat method. I keep screwing up the fights.

That was fun to figure those out Wimpy. You'll like it. It is said that Melee beats Cavalry, Cavalry beats Archers, Archers beat Melee. Ensure your attacks are always giving you the best advantage.

If the enemy camp has a mix, then you use a mix of troops as per above. Let's hope that some bright soul will make a general pvp combat sim where you input the enemy army combination and then your army combination. In the meantime, try the above and you'll do ok. :)

PvP has been on test for 4 days and it is not perfect yet? At least we gave it the full 24 hours before it was "deemed a fail". Considering players islands are not able to be attacked until 12 hours after the player completes the defenses and designates it ready, it is unlikely there was any PvP in the first day of testing. This would actually be the second 24 hour period, as they had to do a repeat server wipe after the first day to fix some minor problems. But this should not stop players from quoting test forum posts, bringing them onto the live forums to ensure that everyone who is not involved in testing gets to hear incomplete testing feedback.

You know guys you are right. I am just gonna chill out relax and watch you form your own opinions. I think I know why BB's ideas are so often so messed up. They don't play their game and... apparently none of BB is a pvper. And just to clarify to some who are still coming with ideas. Once proposed things are on test the only thing to do is either tweek some numbers or abort it. No new ideas are going to be made on the fly. So there is no scoreboard, there is no way for friends/guildies to do matches.

Essentials of PVP are not even in the test. You are surprised why testers are asking why is this even called "pvp"?

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Originally Posted by Pinkleet

You know guys you are right. I am just gonna chill out relax and watch you form your own opinions. I think I know why BB's ideas are so often so messed up. They don't play their game and... apparently none of BB is a pvper. And just to clarify to some who are still coming with ideas. Once proposed things are on test the only thing to do is either tweek some numbers or abort it. No new ideas are going to be made on the fly. So there is no scoreboard, there is no way for friends/guildies to do matches.

Essentials of PVP are not even in the test. You are surprised why testers are asking why is this even called "pvp"?

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we've been saying that for years!

From Test server:

"So all the gems we spent on getting generals from the shop are now worthless? It is now an adventure OR a pvp expedition where you can't use your gem bought MMA/vets/bhg etc or the other gens the game already has. Why is that? why must we get new gens for this boring pvp? So you can then bring newer gens for gems only useable in PvP? Thanks but no thanks... I already spent gems and am not gonna doit it again if this is what i get for my money.

And just for the record, this is NOT pvp. 1 or 3 player placed camps in an adventure map is not pvp and so far, rewards are not even close to being worth it."

Agree.

I love that one:

"Some things that needs to change with the new PvP system
The weapons you make must not end up in the start menu. That is just silly and highly annoying. You finally figured out that stuff the explorers brought back could be put in storage instantly. Don't tell me you guys forgot about how much people hate moving stuff from the star menu to storage already. There is no reason for this mechanic. Just fix it.

The system for assigning units to the new generals makes no sense. Who thought this was a good idea? If it's one thing people have been complaining about for ages is the excess amount of clicking needed to do stuff in this game. Why would you then make a system where you first need to select the unit type and then the number of units to assign? it makes no sense at all. Just fix that. The system on the normal generals works just fine.

The order of the units needs sorting out. Now they are randomized. Organise them after type and strength. So first row of three, basic melee, range and cavalery, next row of three, the more powerful units and lastly that odd super unit that we cannot test on the test server because you never gave us the resource needed to buy them.

The new menu for sending generals is nice. You should use that for the regular generals as well because sending 10 generals off to and adventure is highly frustrating as it is now. Remember what I said about the game being designed around an excess amount of frustrating clicking for no good reason? This is a good interface design. What made it good is that you can do what's needed with a minimum amount of clicks and wasted time. So every time you design a new interface element, you need to ask yourself, can this be done faster and with fewer clicks? Good, no go practice on the menu for assigning troops to the PvP generals. Consider that homework.

Why does it take 10 seconds to send generals to the island and 30 minutes for them to return?

So stuff for the PvP islands are bought for valour points. You need to change the icon so they are not identical with the star coin. Also, where do you get them? I only got star coins for passing the tutorial.

Now for the battle system itself. I like the idea of a more involved combat system. The problem is that your software cannot handle a real time combat system. Too often, lag makes you miss the troops switches which is a disaster with the current system. They also sometimes misses the amount of troops left in the camp. I switched troops for something that did not in fact exist because the troop indicator for the enemy camp was lagging. Just change it to a turn based system. You do not have the capacity to handle real time combat. Such things must be all client side to be usable. The lag will be an even larger factor now when you use blocking as an official feature.

Then the last problem with PvP. Why on earth should I even bother? The islands seem to give me between 102 and 142 exotic wood per 24 hour. With the idiotic limit of 7 days, that's a lot of work for just 1000 exotic wood. I can spend much less resources and work and just do a regular adventure to get the same resources. You really need to give us some better incentive to do this system. Currently, the cost of the search itself is higher than the value of the resources you can get. The gold ore you get from the highest tier islands is worth less than the coins it cost to make search for it. Did you forget to check the production chain in the actual game? The only resource that is actually worth more than the cost of the search is granite and that seems to be very rare to find. Change this. Also, the difference between the rewards for the different island sizes is very small. That makes no sense at all. So back to the amount of resources. Why on earth would I go through all this trouble, paying 100 gold coins, spending lots of troops to defend the island only to get a maximum of 600 granite over the course of a week? Why not just playing any regular adventure instead?

You had some halfway thought through ideas there. Now you need to do the rest of the thinking."

The rewards are not worth it now compared to life loot form adventures. They might be worth it once BB nerfs to the ground adventures loot as it is on test :) Another way to make pvp more desired:P

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Originally Posted by Pinkleet

The rewards are not worth it now compared to life loot form adventures. They might be worth it once BB nerfs to the ground adventures loot as it is on test :) Another way to make pvp more desired:P

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ummm... i don't think breaking what works will make anything more desired, lol.... well...if this is what there were able to come up with during the last 2 years then it's clear, there will never be PvP in this game.... enjoy what you have now or quit...

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Originally Posted by Wujcio

ummm... i don't think breaking what works will make anything more desired, lol.... well...if this is what there were able to come up with during the last 2 years then it's clear, there will never be PvP in this game.... enjoy what you have now or quit...

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but be sure to friend me first before you RAGE QUIT

I don't think it will ever fly. Reminds me of a Dodo bird.

Nerfing is the most crappy, retarded way of changing anything, ALWAYS. Over 20 years of MMO gaming and devs (of any game) still can't get it. Mules could be thought already...:P

Colony mode is fine, just another type of adventure really, with some additional resource benefits if no one takes it from you. But really, there is no PVP here. I'm really not sure why it is being called that. Any PVP involves direct Player vs. Player, not Player vs. Player-placed-AI-in-predetermined-spots. Even being able to man camps on your colony island with your own troops would be closer to PVP than what this is. Perhaps there is a language barrier, but calling it PVP is really misleading.