i have tried to defend the population rebalance BUT

I get it - it's clever and it works for the majority of players -

but for veterans of the game with large populations - large armies - and who are always active - we are kinda trapped.

I had just done an SE, BLT and VLT AND had built op a large PvP army to go take a Large colony - so I had very few recruits left - (time to reload the barracks) as a result my halved totals are so small I would have to kill 1000 elites, 600 xbows, 500 cannon etc...troops that would never die ordinarily. I literally cant get to the target number without doing this - so the short cut work around - does have the unintended consequence -

THIS IS NOT A FIX - this is a PUSH TO CONSUME stuff that need not be consumed, Highly disappointing and again NOT A FIX.

So i am curious lets say i have 5k worth of pop cap left. I have no intention of killing my elites or crossbows etc. So if i dont get it back that way do i just get to keep making extra recruits and having more than i "should"?

exactly = so after a day of riding I have 6581 troops and my target military is 2278 to reset the population correctly - so I have to kill 4303 troops -

but I only have 475 recruits, 613 bow, 285 militia, 1000 cavalry, 567 longbow, 216 soldier, 600 xbow 999 elite and 353 cannon. ( and 1373 pvp troops).

I could do a Dark Brotherhood by myself - and kill the cavalry but I am still going to have to kill another 2000 troops after that and all my bows, militia and cavalry will be dead .

So what I do I do now - slaughter 2k of the rest JUST TO RESET MY POPULATION. ridiculous. THIS IS NOT A FIX.

So, as a result you will not be able to reduce you troops to the level assigned to them. Until you reach that point, you will remain in the first phase of the fix and your troops will count as half units. Because of this, you will effectively have double the space for troops and have an inflated population capacity. Unless they implement another fix that would actually change the population cap to make it so your actual population is over the cap again, you will be stuck with an expanded population and be able to make more troops than you could before.

What exactly is the problem here?

Yep. I'm fine with an inflated population capacity. Unless a future fix pushes me so far over the limit that I have to kill thousands of troops just to populate a new building.

Kinda wondering that myself.

well - there is some chat around the game that those who take advantage of the glitch and exceed their capacity will be visited by the BB's et. al. for a discussion...

I just cant figure it out. Even if you burn recruits eventually it will reset back to normal no?

Its not like you have a large population to work through at all, just run some adventures and it is back to normal... no?

What a strange thing to get worked up about.

WHAT RECRUITS? I have 475 to "burn" 4000 - That is not how it is working right now. Which adventures would you have me run with 400 recruits to kill 4000 troops. if I add recruits (I ran an SE, VLT , and BLT today) - my military target goes up with each recruit who comes out of the barracks - the recruits are killed and I am back where I started with 4000 troops still to kill to reset the population. These are the troops I have ( 475 recruits, 613 bow, 285 militia, 1000 cavalry, 567 longbow, 216 soldier, 600 xbow 999 elite and 353 cannon and 1373 pvp troops). 4000 of THESE EXACT TROOPS have to die to rest - how is that a fix.

Kill the recruits, bows, militia, cavalry and you are halfway there...how is that a fix.

ahhhh I understand so you are saying say you kill 4000 recruits over a period of a week, IF you don't also kill the 1000 cav the 565 longbows 999 elites etc etc your population will always be larger than it should?

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I just cant figure it out. Even if you burn recruits eventually it will reset back to normal no?

Its not like you have a large population to work through at all, just run some adventures and it is back to normal... no?

What a strange thing to get worked up about.

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...First of all you have no idea what my population is....Second - I have "worked through" 6000 troops today - just to keep ending up with the same dilemma - 4000 more have to go to hit the target. -Make troops - the target goes up - kill them off the target goes back down. You end up in the same place. What am I supposed to be - Sisyphus? - With the "reset" if you woke up with (a) large populations (b) low on recruits because of heavy adventuring and (c) with only elite troops (who are dependent upon the recently removed and now expensive upper end weapons; or were built for PvP in large quantities for expeditions) left to reduce to hit the newly -established military target as part of the "fix" target - you are being asked to sacrifice these troops as the game's solution to their action.

That is the only conclusion I can draw today - after killing off 4k troops and having mad NO PROGRESS to the stated "fix."

Yes - If I had woken up with 12k recruits - I could have "worked through" them and reset the population - supposedly.

But in these circumstances - whether it is an unintended consequence or not - the outcome is forced consumption of expensive elite commodities to fix a game glitch.

The majority of you complain about this all the time in the forum! How would anyone not be worked up by being asked to kill of 1000 cavalry 1000 elites 600 cannon 600 xbows 500 soldiers and/or 2000 PvP troops to reset a game flaw. Sheesh...

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ahhhh I understand so you are saying say you kill 4000 recruits over a period of a week, IF you don't also kill the 1000 cav the 565 longbows 999 elites etc etc your population will always be larger than it should?

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YES you are getting it now. Because I had relatively few recruits - my "reset" gap of 4k has to come from the high end troops that existed at the moment of the reset. I might get there over the course of a week of doing high end adventures and not replacing them in the barracks prematurely - but the NET EFFECT of what the game is taking away from me for the Fix is ridiculous - even though it MAY be unintended....

2 STEPS!

(1) LOOK AT THE RESET MILITARY UNITS (for me 2279)
(2) LOOK AT EXISTING TROOPS (for me 6582 after riding all day slaughtering troops on SE, VLT and BLT) -
(3) CHOOSE THE TROOPS THAT MUST DIE. (For me it was not pretty as I was low on recruits.)

NO MATTER WHAT TROOPS YOU ADD TO THE BARRACKS POST -RESET -YOU END UP IN THE SAME PLACE.

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...First of all you have no idea what my population is...

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LOL don't be silly I know exactly what your population is since you put it in your post... and it was kinda small but don't worry your secret is safe with me I won't tell any women.

I do follow though if you are right, seems like they put in a hasty and dumb fix. But even then it just seems like you will now have extra population until attrition of failed blocks eventually catches up to you...... the crosses you have to bear!

But yea if the extra population is going to drive you wild some cav sacs seem to be in order.

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LOL don't be silly I know exactly what your population is since you put it in your post... and it was kinda small but don't worry your secret is safe with me I won't tell any women.

I do follow though if you are right, seems like they put in a hasty and dumb fix. But even then it just seems like you will now have extra population until attrition of failed blocks eventually catches up to you...... the crosses you have to bear!

But yea if the extra population is going to drive you wild some cav sacs seem to be in order.

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Well it looks like you caught a break. The game lost my full reply- Too Funny. But anyway - NO - I did not post my pop but if you guessed 12k by adding my troops killed today with my current troops - you are closer to the truth. Thanks for not sharing with the ladies. I have seen all the guys in the shower with larger troops than I - but it's not how many you have but what you do with them!. In return I promise not to send you to the principal for a reading comprehension test.

Thanks for engaging. It's been fun and I cant launch an adventure - cause PvP from time to time likes to place my conquered colonies in the tier without letting me build the defense until my other adventure ends. Ill just have to keep bearing my crosses.

Although I reckon I could outfit a small guild with cannons etc. I don't think I will fix my pop - I'll calm down and live with it - like I do the Quest at the top of my Questbook that wont give me 2 Sarges and a SFTR because despite being Level 50 since before the premium was invented and sitting on 150k achievement points - I apparently haven't discovered Sector 9 and Wild Mary with an explorer yet.

Cheers! Domes

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Well it looks like you caught a break. The game lost my full reply- Too Funny. But anyway - NO - I did not post my pop but if you guessed 12k by adding my troops killed today with my current troops - you are closer to the truth. Thanks for not sharing with the ladies. I have seen all the guys in the shower with larger troops than I - but it's not how many you have but what you do with them!. In return I promise not to send you to the principal for a reading comprehension test.

Thanks for engaging. It's been fun and I cant launch an adventure - cause PvP from time to time likes to place my conquered colonies in the tier without letting me build the defense until my other adventure ends. Ill just have to keep bearing my crosses.

Although I reckon I could outfit a small guild with cannons etc. I don't think I will fix my pop - I'll calm down and live with it - like I do the Quest at the top of my Questbook that wont give me 2 Sarges and a SFTR because despite being Level 50 since before the premium was invented and sitting on 150k achievement points - I apparently haven't discovered Sector 9 and Wild Mary with an explorer yet.

Cheers! Domes

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DOH 15k achievement points. My mind needs a reset.

The inhumanity of losing out on the SFTR.

I love the little BB gems like that, much like the pvp quest line where at the end you get 1 star coin. I really celebrated hard with that one, pictured it paying 1/120 of an arrow and that kind of loot doesn't come around often ya know!

Yea the pvp LS bug is ridiculous, I am 99% sure we mentioned it on test. Maybe we forgot that one because we were focusing too hard on thinking the actual loot was a bug.. lol

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DOH 15k achievement points. My mind needs a reset.

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lol, then my mind was reset a while back. I have 14.9k points.

no matter what i do - i am always exactly 3639 too many pop.... killing R didnt change a thing

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i have tried to defend the population rebalance

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Ye gods why?

The post doesn't make sense and it's not how the game is behaving.

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I get it - it's clever and it works for the majority of players

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Really? Are there many posts saying it's worked? That's a real question. There are a lot of posts saying "I've killed my all my army guys and no go." or "My military count is down to 0 and now I'm stuck." or addressing the same problem you're having. Curious to see exactly how it's worked for anyone it has worked for.

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well - there is some chat around the game that those who take advantage of the glitch and exceed their capacity will be visited by the BB's et. al. for a discussion...

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Here's hoping this chat is mistaken, there's no real need for "a discussion..." when the "fix" isn't one and anyone playing about with it may well end up in the same sticky tangle many of us had the last time there was a major pop bug. Or they may not. It's completely unclear.

Its simple. BB broke it. They should fix it. NOT but expecting us to waste high end units. Don't put the burden of your own incompetence on players. End of story, end of excuses. I DON'T care what happened, fix it. And don;t even think about punishing me for your mistakes. Clear enough? Thanks.

I think it was done on purpose so we could build the new units for ?v?.

I will try to stick to the facts on this thread.

According to the BB's - Once my "troop count" drops below the "mililtary unit" count - I can safely rebuild troops and settlers and my population will track accordingly.

(1) The gap between my "military unit" count and my actual troops was 4k.
(2) Yesterday, I headed off to kill 4k troops - but felt I made a mistake by rebuilding those troops in the barracks while I was away - thus when I returned and found the "gap" was still 4k I guessed it was my fault. *
(3) Today, I headed off to kill 4k troops - but did NOT make any new ones to replace them. Lo and behold when I returned - the "gap" is still 4k.**

The reality is they did not fix their fix properly - and so no matter how many troops you kill - you still have the same gap.

So it would appear that this is all just --- Lies. **** Lies. And more lies. This has been double-talk positing a "necessary resetting to make up for a PvP miscalculation" when all it actually is a push to have players consume more resources leading to a desired increase in gem sales.

Merry Christmas.

UNLESS - someone can say to me - dude - this was easy - I DID IT and THIS IS HOW YOU CAN DO IT. ....I would be all ears - and wear a suitable hairshirt for penance.

* Moreover - based on this discovery - as I have gone "on and on" about in "I Tried to Defend the Population Balance" thread - it appeared that I could not just make new recruits and kill them to reset the population - I would have to make the reduction from my previously existing high-end troops as I had disposed of all my meatshields the previous day.
** So even killing of the high-end troops that pre-dated the "reset" failed to "close the gap."

This is what happens when interns are doing coding beyond the classroom (I am assuming they are still in school). No wonder Nasa had to close the shop. Last time I heard some dopers were calculating Mars probes in feet and coding the programs for it in meters. :) Instead of landing it would have buried 2km under surface.

Sorry BB couldn't resist the joke. One thing about upsetting your customers (like you did few times this year) is less and less patience and forgiveness for your bloopers. Told yaaaaaaaaaaah :)

nope my gap is stuck at 3639 perpetually ---

It seems to me that if we totally destroy the troops we have made then the pop count bug that BB introduced may go away.

My gap shrunk (slightly) after I dumped a couple thousand settlers out of my star and made a bunch of new troops.

Illusory.

Bring me the head of Alfredo Garcia or no hairshirt.

My gap was about 5k when i started today. I've killed off every single recruit, bowman and cav i hade. 7.5k worth of troops. my military units dropped to 427 now. and i still have 5792 troops left. I'm done trying to "FIX" this. there is no way i'm killing every single troop i have to match the military units of 427 which is sure to drop to 0 or negative numbers if i continue to kill troops.

im up to 3656.... its getting worse for me -- wonder what will happen after i run DB and Nords for DQ and GQ?

I started at 5.7k excess, removed 2 nobles to make room for the recyclers, and now I am at 6.2k excess, lol.

I just ignore this situation. It doesn't seem to make any difference in the play of the game.

No, I have not rebalanced my military after my troop count was lowered to half of what it was at the time of the reset. As such, I am completely heartbroken about the additional 5K or so recruits I have had to make to keep all those half-counted troops company. I'll be dreading the waste as I am building up thousands of recruits, only to watch even more die as they are thrown at adventure after adventure. Curse BlueByte for making it so easy this holiday to so do serial adventures and for forcing me to obtain premium status so all those deaths are not pointless losses.

More seriously, unless BlueByte is planning on removing build troops from the armies when they finally figure out the fix they put in is not working, the worst case scenario seems to be that island production may freeze for new buildings (esp. mines) when they recount the troop units and start to apply them correctly. Some people may need more housing, starting with the Frozen Manor being given at the end of the Xmas event. In the meantime, they have almost doubled the capacity of our current buildings, giving people more room to do stuff during the winter weeks, including the PvP that people were complaining about not having the space to run. I do hope they give some warning before implementing another fix for the current fix, so we can have some notice to kill off a lot of recruits. I would advise to focus increasing troops based on expendable units, so if there is a later fix that lowers the population cap below what the total number of troops is, it will not be too hard to kill them off in adventures.

Should someone else ask how many threads on the same topic need to be started by the same people?

Merged threads.

...not "exactly" how it was explained.

TODAY ( Day Three) - I gave up trying to reset my pop and restocked my barracks after destroying 4k original; pre-"reset" troops the previous day - to make no difference in my gap between troops and total pop - and with a "military unit: number that rose and fall with my activity.

BUT BECAUSE I MADE SUBSTANTIAL TROOPS OVERNIGHT - I did another calculation post-Nords this am.

MY POPULATION HAS INCREASED WITH NEW TROOPS and CLOSED THE GAP BETWEEN MY ACTUAL POPULATION AND WHAT THE GAME SAYS MY POPULATION IS.

MY GAP WHICH WAS 4k is now ONLY 1247 which is about right after all my activity yesterday.

AND THE GAP BETWEEN THE MILITARY UNIT NUMBER and MY ACTUAL TROOPS is ALSO 1247.

So it would APPEAR that IF I go kill 1247 troops and rebuild them - I might reset my population correctly. TO BE FAIR - this is sorta what BB Endesmor (sic?) said - however -

These calculations were certainly NOT tracking like this on Day One and Day Two ( so I expect someone has been cleaning this up behind the scenes)- but it would (a) appear to be working and (b) the difficulty MIGHT be translating from German to English although to be FAIR - I don't know HOW I would have explained this reset process myself in English. LOL

Now -off I go to kill 1247 troops today. WHERE IS LUCY AND THAT FOOTBALL.....

NEVERMIND - NO- IT IS NOT WORKING -

DOH

I FORGOT I HAVE ANOTHER 3K TROOPS IN THE BARRACKS - THAT ARENT IN THE COUNT - SO THAT PUTS ME BACK TO THE PERMANENT GAP OF 4K NO MATTER WHAT I DO -

DOH - WELL - I tried to defend the game. At least I didn't go out and kill them all over again - them even Domes might have flamed out and had a fire sale.....DOH

hmmmmm - but if TODAY the game adds those 3 k barracks troops to BOTH my "military units" number AND my actual troop count - than the reset works -

but it did not work that way on DAY ONE - stay tuned

Nope - troops coming out of the barracks - are being added to my actual troop count - but NOT affecting the "military units" number thus the GAP has begun to grow back towards 4k.

Reset not working. STAY AWAY - STAY VERY FAR AWAY - DO NOT ATTEMPT THIS AT HOME - JUST RIDE!

I really don't care about it. I will if next week BB comes up and slices my units in half because of "fixing" what hey broke. I didn't add extra 5k units to my barracks, but simply because of schools and not doing many adventures the number of my settlers is rising - so I trained the surplus. I wonder how are they going to fix it thou. My gap is closing a bit but it is still about 3k+ off.

Again, don't care. I am a customer and it is not my job to find solutions for the developers mistakes. It is theirs.

ok today i ran a db - lost around 1k troops - pop glitch gulf is exactly the same at 3639 --- .... so this 'reset' doesn't do dang thing