WT more common than follow-up adventures?

According to the data from the German servers (http://diekampfkatze.at/atbelohnung.html), the chances of receiving a RBN, ML, or Old Friends is 1.5%. The chance of receiving a WT or an Angel Gate is 2%. BB, how can you possibly justify making the chances of a follow-up adventure less than the chances of receiving a WT or Angel Gate? The adventure will be used once, then it's gone. The WT is the second-best population building in the game and never goes away once it is placed, while Angel Gates are one of the most sought-after buildings in the game.

IN WHAT WORLD DOES THIS MAKE SENSE?

Yes, RB and SE are "epic" adventures, while BN, IotP, and WotS are far less epic, but it honestly doesn't take any additional effort for me to run a RB than it does a BN. Not that I run BN any longer since I have not received one single RBN drop since the loot change.

This is just another instance of very poor foresight and planning prior to the loot rebalancing. One of a long string of things that really makes it look like you are really trying to kill this game, and doing a darn good job of it.

Adventure drop rates need to be raised dramatically, probably 10x more often than they currently drop. I would say that anywhere between 10 to 20% would be acceptable, but right now it's just pathetic.

more WT = more pop. Sounds like it's good loot. :)

I agree, 1.5% chance for a follow up adventure is just... well honestly crap. 10% would be decent. Still would justify actually doing BN...

BB seems to be on the quest to make this game harder and harder and that is not the way to go. Easy and fun with optional challenges - that is what works well in mmo market.

I like easy and fun :)

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Originally Posted by Moonlime

more WT = more pop. Sounds like it's good loot. :)

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Um... I'm confused. Was that post in support of or in opposition to my original post? WT is, in fact, most excellent loot, and I don't recall saying that it wasn't. That was the point of my original post. WT and angel gate, both being "good loot," should NOT drop more often than a follow-up adventure.

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Originally Posted by Plumz

BB seems to be on the quest to make this game harder and harder and that is not the way to go.

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100% agree Plumz. Not only are they on a quest to make the game harder and harder, they also seem to be on a quest to make it more frustrating and less fun. Just the other day, a friend pointed out that SA can no longer be bought for map frags, but must now be bought with gems. She only wanted to run it for some star coins, but I used this adventure very heavily until I made 50. WTG BB!!! You have sooooo many new subscribers that you should definitely make it harder for people to level!

Add in taking away follow-up adventure drops as well as taking IotP and Dark Priests out of the merchant, and your war on newer players is clearly well underway. (And yes, I know IotP is in the guild market, but this isn't particularly good for newer players.)

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Originally Posted by Plumz

Easy and fun with optional challenges - that is what works well in mmo market.

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Once again, 100% agree. Obtaining follow-up adventures is not at all fun or easy now. I rather enjoyed running BN when I knew I was going to get a RBN drop about 20% of the time. Now it's just a completely useless adventure.

Think they finally realized RBNs are more "end game" than WTs and Angel Gates

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Originally Posted by Snacknado

Think they finally realized RBNs are more "end game" than WTs and Angel Gates

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For over half my guild the new "end" game is to find a new game.

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Originally Posted by Ornias

For over half my guild the new "end" game is to find a new game.

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sub in the word players for guild

Ornias- does half of your guild have FMs as their only pop building? maxxed skilled trees for all their explorers? lvl5 expert weaponchains?

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Originally Posted by Snacknado

Ornias- does half of your guild have FMs as their only pop building? maxxed skilled trees for all their explorers? lvl5 expert weaponchains?

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Snack, I know that a maxed out island is your thing. I really don't care if I have an island full of FM's and all my skill trees are maxed. Mine aren't and never will be because it doesn't matter to me. I'd just like to have a game at least as playable as it was before they decided to "improve" it, and I'd like to be able to pick up a follow-up adventure more than once every hundred tries (assuming I was still trying, which I'm not).

If maxing your island and playing TO is your thing (and you were a guildie for a while, so I know it is :)), then the state of advs and follow-ups probably doesn't matter a whole lot to you, other than the decreasing population. For me, all the screwed up stuff is game-breaking and I'm about ready to pack up and move on. The rest of my guild has, might as well follow them.

but how is running follow ups an end game?

well end game usually means having the best of the best

No Snack, my guild mates are not all using FM's as pop. Neither am I. There is no longer any viable way to get them either. 50k each now on TO, and most of my guild are not level 50. IOTP no longer in shop, neither is SA for frags. Frankly most of my guild are like me, older with children. We play this as a casual escape from RL. Since BB insists on continuing to throw up roadblocks in an effort to reign in the broken econ, well, it is time to move on for most of us. There in nothing BB can do at this late stage to fix the econ, they should have just left it alone. My island is set up to produce water. I wanted something that could run unbuffed, as buffing in this game is tedious (not so much now with 24 buffs, but still). I used to leave this game running in the background all day at work and at home, but I don't even bother anymore. I am lucky to see 1 or 2 people online when I login to send out explorers. I list a water trade every 4 days, and that is it. I have not run an adventure since they "improved" the loot. I have bought a few LS, and meh. I have 21 people in my guild currently, and GQ's only require 7 now to complete, meaning more than half my guild is now gone.

And water sells for decently well now a days too. FM go for usually 75-85k gc per atm. I personally think that the economy was messed up before the new change, like why would Ubisoft have buildings that you can make (in build menu) that are the most valuable weapons (expert weapons) and those buildings are not worth making..... Weapons should have never been in the loot in the first place, that is what screwed our economy- and I'm not surprised people are upset about this because we were all used to having weapons in loot and them being gone now is a big adjustment to make and forcing to people to pay the actual economically value of them or to produce them themselves, which few people want or can afford to do. It sounds like you need a new guild though or to recruit new members.

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Originally Posted by Snacknado

but how is running follow ups an end game?

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It definitely isn't end game. Not sure how we got around to the idea that it is. Follow-ups should be accessible to anyone capable of running the adventure that drops it. That was the point of this thread before it went waaaaaay off track. Having a 1.5% chance of a follow-up drop is insane any way that you look at it. I only brought up the WT drop rate of 2% as a comparison and to point out that even a good building drops more often than a follow-up adventure.

Your, mine, or anyone else's definition of "end game" really didn't have anything to do with the point of my initial post, which is that follow-ups should drop a helluva lot more than they currently do. I wasn't complaining about weapons not dropping, the cost of FM's, or, for that matter, any other loot changes. Just the follow-up adventure drops. Anything else is a tangent and probably needs its own thread. Or one of the many threads that already exists on those subjects.

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Originally Posted by Flidais

It definitely isn't end game. Not sure how we got around to the idea that it is. Follow-ups should be accessible to anyone capable of running the adventure that drops it. That was the point of this thread before it went waaaaaay off track. Having a 1.5% chance of a follow-up drop is insane any way that you look at it. I only brought up the WT drop rate of 2% as a comparison and to point out that even a good building drops more often than a follow-up adventure.

Your, mine, or anyone else's definition of "end game" really didn't have anything to do with the point of my initial post, which is that follow-ups should drop a helluva lot more than they currently do. I wasn't complaining about weapons not dropping, the cost of FM's, or, for that matter, any other loot changes. Just the follow-up adventure drops. Anything else is a tangent and probably needs its own thread. Or one of the many threads that already exists on those subjects.

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I miss read what u said that i commented on :D But the thread was about how follow up should have a higher % chance of drop rate than the buildings- but RBN, books are more valuable than those buildings so I see why BB lowered follow up drop rate %, make it harder for players to reach the end game for explorers and geos.

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Originally Posted by Snacknado

I miss read what u said that i commented on :D But the thread was about how follow up should have a higher % chance of drop rate than the buildings- but RBN, books are more valuable than those buildings so I see why BB lowered follow up drop rate %, make it harder for players to reach the end game for explorers and geos.

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Okay, let's assume that I agree with your logic about RBN (I don't, but let's go with it :D). They lowered the drop rates on ALL follow-up adventures. Surely you don't think that ML or OF are more valuable than a WT or angel gate?

You also need to consider that, other than the top 1% of players who do have their islands maxed with FM's, many people consider a WT drop to be more valuable than an RBN. As I said, I never intended this to be an end-game discussion, just one about how illogical it is for follow-ups of any sort to drop less often than a useful building. RBN was my prime example because it was the one I actively hunted.

I still stand by my original statement that it is insane for every adventure with a follow-up to only drop that follow-up 1.5% of the time.

At the risk of veering off track again, also consider this. If you argue that RBN is more valuable to you than a WT, then you need to realize that a WT is more valuable to a lot of other players that don't have maxed islands and huge populations. I don't enjoy playing TO and TT constantly so I can buy a ton of FM and RBN. That's evident by the five or six FM and handful of WT I have on my island. :D If I have to buy it rather than run an adv and get it myself, I just don't enjoy it as much. I'd rather get fair loot from the adventures I run or the loot slots I buy. Killing the chance of an adventure-focused player to get any kind of a follow-up just to make things more expensive for the maxed players isn't a great way to run a game imo. I know there are both types of players--those that play TO and those who'd rather run adventures (at least before the lag destroyed blocking). It's just a shame that the game's been ruined for those who'd rather run adventures.

I'm fairly indifferent to the rest of the loot changes honestly. I have all the expert weapon buildings and may even turn them on eventually when my stockpiles run low. I'd just like a decent chance of getting a follow-up adventure from the adventure itself, rather than having to play TO for it.