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Yes! No more waiting for those pesky travel times! Once you start an expedition now you can cut the travel time of your marshals in HALF! Simply purchase the feature from the gem shop and go on to having fun twice faster!
I am guessing the popularity of pvp is simply going to fill up the BB coffers with flooding gem purchases. O wait, was that sarcasm? *blushes :)
lol
You are funny! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Plumz
Why are you calling it PVP?
There is no pvp here.
pewpew
This is "pvp" with elements of real pvp. Kinda... A bit... something... like... :)
It might be asynchronous and anonymous, but it is PvP.
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Originally Posted by EpsilonSilver
Expedition fans?Quote:
Originally Posted by EpsilonSilver
If it is truly PvP, please explain why we do not know who the target colony is owned by (in the case of attacking other players).Quote:
Originally Posted by BB_Endesmor
It seems that we might be attacking friends and/or fellow guildies. (Well, to be honest, some need to be 'liberated' of resources) As friends and guildies would be able to recognize each others troop's regalia, flags, guidons and etc. and not target for liberation. So, second question here would be, Does the expeditions offered screen available colonies to NOT be friends/guildies?
PvP can be used to describe aspects of the game where players compete again each other. The fact that players are anonymous is a design choice that we made.
About your second question, you can find the answer in a previous changelog:
- When searching for an Expedition, friend's and Guild friend's islands won't be included in the search result any more
Cordially,
BB_Endesmor
Just that there is no competition between any player. Player A takes the colony off a PvE based enviroment, as, eh, reward for winning, one gets to place additional defenses (and quite a few of those predefined places need some help... there is no way one ever even passes close by).Quote:
PvP can be used to describe aspects of the game where players compete again each other. The fact that players are anonymous is a design choice that we made.
Player B now randomly chances to fight the colony of Player A, which is the exact same PvE based enviroment with a few more PvE baddies than before, nothing in this scenario is anything remotely closer to the concept of PvP than before.
PvE remains PvE, regardless of what you lable or dress it up as.
Being anonymous is fine as that doesn't interfere with PvP, then again you'd like to know which *** you kicked and who handed it to you :p
Monopoly is more PvP than the current "PvP" we got here...
With a well set-up defence you - the defending player - makes a huge difference for the attacker. Just give it some time. Small tier 1's - cannot even be compared huge tier 3īs. The more you get around in the exp. islands, the faster you will see that there are easy ones and really hard ones.
Actually the PvP or not PvP discussion is kind of stupid, as BB calls it PvP. If you disagree there are loads of 24/7 PvP games to be found.
The awesomeness with the exp. islands is that it is dynamic strategy - you need to make your own decisions everytime you land on an island.
That is the big change from normal adventures, and once you get the idea of exp. islands - normal adventures gets rather boring.
Looking forward to the upcomming progress system.
so a player that sells/buys many LSs will be limited to the amount of player owned islands his/her explorers can find?Quote:
Originally Posted by BB_Endesmor
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Troll-Phu
Time to clear some people off my contacts list because they are not friends. I need a Contacts list for trading with people. People I still want to attackQuote:
Originally Posted by BB_Endesmor
yep go ahead and delete them, maybe just maybe you'll find the 3 ppl doing themQuote:
Originally Posted by Artillerist
I enjoy the expedition battle mechanics, and have tried to be a supporter of the whole thing and come up with constructive ideas. But....I just can't do it anymore. At tier 3 I can search all day at 150 coins a pop and never find a granite or titanium island to attempt to conquer....not to mention one that is player owned.
I suppose I could go in and intentionally lose enough times to get knocked back to tier 2 or tier 1....but that just seems so pointless. Please BB do something about the reward systems...nobody wants a tier 3 large hardwood lumber or coal island for 7 days!
Actually, if you want to sell me red paint and tell me it's blue, then that's alright...it still doesn't change the fact that I'm not getting blue but red. So what it is and what you call it are 2 different things. BB can keep referring to it as PvP, and the proper rest of us will continue using "PvP".Quote:
Actually the PvP or not PvP discussion is kind of stupid, as BB calls it PvP.
What's pointless of having stats to compete for epeen and you get to forge them yourself too ^^?Quote:
I suppose I could go in and intentionally lose enough times to get knocked back to tier 2 or tier 1....but that just seems so pointless.
You don't have to actually lose, you visit the island, go home and cancel the expedition. It may take only once, it may take a few times if you've done a lot of tier 3's, but you'll drop back to 2 without losing any troops / intentionally losing any battles by just canceling. I'm also frustrated by the lack of choices in tier 3, even put in a ticket about it. I was told it's a known problem and will be fixed eventually.Quote:
Originally Posted by W1lson
lol - Thank you - I think I was trying to dress it up too much! ;Quote:
Originally Posted by Ceruhe
Thank you, Endesmor for the replies - you are correct on 2nd issue, I appear to have missed that changelog in my travels...Quote:
Originally Posted by BB_Endesmor
It would be SO simple to make PvP popular.
Frozen Manors are the most wanted buildings in the game.
Put Frozen Manor in the exp. island loot with a fair drop chance - and you'll see how everyone will love PvP. He-he...
Do you guys agree?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wardog-
A similar reward could also be in the PvP reward track, would that work?
BB_Endesmor
Putting them in the PVP reward track would be a one time occurrence and probably wouldn't be very popular. Having them drop from expeditions so we can get multiples is what I understand Wardog to be suggesting. Coming up with another building with the same footprint and population that's specific to PVP and available in the shop for valor points would also be an incentive for people to play, or have this new building drop from expeditions as well as, or instead of frozen manors. Or maybe even make the Water Castle have a substantial population increase (like 50 per level) with every level attained. Now that would be pretty sweet! Heck, do all three things and see what happens =-)
Well tier 3 expeditions SHOULDN'T reward coal or hardwood planks (production). It should be ONLY epic resources. I honestly hope that is a bug and not bad (dumb really) design feature. When you get to tier 3 and start wasting huge amount of resources/troops you should be rewarded well (not with coal).
The reward track is a good idea to increase popularity of "pvp" but I would suggest the devs take a look at the test forum feedback thread about it. There are quite good suggestions and critics about how and where the rewards are placed. Wouldn't hurt any designers ego to check out some intelligent people posting few brilliant ideas there.
The water castle not having a population bonus is just DUH! moment. Also placing the top 120 marshal at the end of the grind (when you actually don't need him anymore) instead of dropping him to the front of tier 3 grind (where you need him MOST) is just... I am sorry to say but... dumb. Completely in agreement here with the testers.
Including Frozen Manor as some kind of reward from doing "pvp" would be a welcoming change. As long as the chances of getting it are better than there are now... The expansion islands will eventually come life (hope we don't have to wait 2 years for them) and then all housing will skyrocket in value.
I hope also BB, you guys think about something new (next thing after FT adventures) in the future for pve players (majority really) to do with all the extra room/population the expansion will give us? Like another adventure chain (similar to FT)? Perhaps raising level to 60?
"Pvp" even with rankings, better rewards and some fluff is not going to save your game. I hope you realized this by now. The huge majority of your players enjoy pve, economy/trade (hoarding included) and being/doing stuff with friends/guildies. You should rewire some of your designing effort/time into those 3 aspects of the game and stop pouring every resource into "pvp".
Whoever manager is responsible for the course the game has taken last 12 months - his ideas/perspectives cost you great numbers of lost players already. I hope the top brass at Ubisoft gets it and start re-focusing designing efforts where they bring the most impact. I don't want to see more and more people leaving because there is nothing new in what they love to do in the game - adventures/trading/socializing.
Agreed. Some of us (who do not currently run Expeditions - and I feel we number those who do Expeditions by a fair number), might even jump on board if that was the case. However, I must warn you that at one point, BB put an adventure in the merchant tab which cost 1495 gems and used to issue epic items.... (2/3 chance of getting a valuable item - FM or snowbag).Quote:
Originally Posted by Pinkleet
...Oh, SNAP - they still offer the same adventure for 1495 gems - Only it only dispenses a FM on less than 4% chance - if the non-official charts are to be believed (Hard to find enough people forking over 1495 gems to get a good sampling, however)!!! For the same 1495 gems, mind you.
So, if you are expecting BB to just start dropping FM's in expeditions, gl.
Finally. someone gets it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ceruhe
Its more like PVE v PVE
Nothing involving BB and rewards thus far have ever amounted to very much, imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by BB_Endesmor
I see no reason to expect anything different.
Of course, if you worked with us, with our knowledge of the relative value of rewards and difficulty/cost to attain them, we might be able to come up with something we are all happy with.
Actually I don't mind the anonymous because if you do end up with somebody you know- it can be colluded in resource trading.
Like hey- if you don't attack me. I'll split the island resources with you. etc.
Winning Trading for ranking purpose. etc.
Maybe after the fight is over is okay.
I don't mind the anonymous either because then people can focus on the game instead of other things. If only the resource payouts were improved.
I think your design choice was sound and inclusive of a goodly number of people who've posted they didn't want PVP because in other games they'd played they were relentlessly attacked by people or groups of people who decided to bully them for fun. So bravo for listening to your player base and doing what you felt was best by eliminating one of the negative aspects of PVP. I don't mind the fact that it's anonymous one bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by BB_Endesmor
I think a second combat armory and weaponsmith is just silly. Why not make the current ones upgradeable instead of taking up more island space. Maybe give us a "plan" like for the rarity provisions house that would double production speed permanently.Quote:
Originally Posted by BB_Endesmor
AND why not make 2 channels into 1 building?Quote:
Originally Posted by SweaterPuppies