Monetizer analyst

Mainly for the community manager - aka Endesmor2.

He (monetizer analyst) is NOT up to the job. He has totally failed what he (or she) is paid for.

A very good example is the new scenario - now available on test-server.

BB's cash cows are the newbies - and then he figures that a scenario for the rich (in ressources) players needs something like that?
The scenario is very expensive - and testers really fast told BB that it was a crappy loot compared to the investements - then BB shows up telling that the loot is "Fake" - and will be improved when it goes live. I trust you not.

Here is a list of what you should be focusing on now (cannot guess on what stupid acts BB will unleash on us in the nearest future):

1. Frozen Manor is the most wanted building in the game.
2. We can get granite and titore from a lot of sources - but not SALT.
3. A huge pile of the loyal players are very rich in ressources - they do need the guild-bank, in order to help newbies.
4. Science for the island and generals - as promised.
5. Wipe out ALL the bugs in expedition islands. (cannot go fast enough - last upgrade just gave us some more bugs. tsk-tsk)
6. Get some logic in to the loots from adventures. (when the analyst is bored - check out how many Tomb Raiders has been played since loot was nerfed.)
7. Write to Support???? Naaah - support seems to have lost their way. I am full of awe to the ones answering tickets - but they just do not know the game anymore. Somehow BB has let them down on the PvP feature.

I could line up the bugs found on expedition islands - but I am here to have fun, not to do BB's job.

Cry havoc and loose the dogs of war!

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Originally Posted by epsilonsilver

cry havoc and loose the dogs of war!

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rofl! Xd

Well, To be honest, the itemized items posted by Wardog would be agreed on by many current players, especially the veterans; however, I do not agree on the responsibility falling on one person. I believe, based on previous employers as well as watching the trends, the folks wholly responsible for the bottom-line decision making are NOT the ones actually talking with us. More likely the traditional bean counters. This game was created by another company, purchased by BB/UBI for no other purpose than to make money.

The one thing they (and all other businesses) listen to are the sounds of cash registers ringing. Ergo, based on their direction, the business is making the money they want going in the direction they are. Wardog may have hit the nail on the head when stating that the noobs are the target. The long term issue then will come back to haunt them. We shall see. :cool:

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Ergo, based on their direction, the business is making the money

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But can't see the vault of goldcoins (imagine Dagobert Duck now...) that is Frozen Manors and a Bookbinder que slot? :D

Then again, if just thinking globally not just TSO related, whenever do you really get the feelings the higher ups still have a clue at all...

Hi everyone,

Any new feature on the Test Server is still being worked on and may not reflect the final status of the content. We use the test server to collect feedback and improve these new features.

Regarding the costs and loot of the new scenario, it is only a placeholder, as discussed in this thread. I am not involved in analysis or design, but I forward your feedback and suggestions to the developers.

BB_Endesmor

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Originally Posted by BB_Endesmor

Any new feature on the Test Server is still being worked on and may not reflect the final status of the content. We use the test server to collect feedback and improve these new features.

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Thanks for the laugh, I needed that.

You are welcome.

You guys need to give Endesmor a break. She only passes on the info to Devs and back to us. She knows what the Devs tell her and it is not her fault Devs don't do what they say "will" do, or do something without informing her. It is like a buffer absorbing all the shocks from both sides of the game - players and developers.

Endesmor is not responsible for Devs decisions about the game development, changes and such. Now if you want to criticize her, do it on the platform of her responsibilities - communicating info back and forth between devs and players.

I played few games where game devs were often in the game, checking stuff out, participating in social events or just having fun for a moment with players. Most of those moments were quite fun especially back in the day when devs were not afraid of using their programming powers. Spawning extra resources, or some fancy features for an event, dropping extra amount of npcs to whack on to get more loot (during events), or even insta popping bosses. Hey one time about 100 of us were killing one dev for about 20 min (he had ultra health and gear to chew through). I remember dying about dozen times of his aoe abilities before we finally downed him. We were able to check his gear in loot window (nope we didn't get to loot it) and each of the "raiders" got some credits for our effort. 10 years later the veterans of the game still remember the fun :)

Sadly those interactions became rarity over the years. Plenty of gamers today have the mental/emotional setup of 6 years olds who do the best what they do best - whine and complain if not insta gratified/rewarded. Dealing with bunch of whining kids can rub on you pretty fast... Legal issues are another reason. During Halloween years back one of the devs spawned tons of extra npcs for the participants of the event for few hrs. The forums got flamed pretty fast from those who were not logged during prime time and missed the "chance" for extra loot. As if there were entitled to it...

TSO community is pretty good actually compared to other games I played. Don't know if the devs understand, but actually on test forums we had the most mature, experienced and brilliant players posting for a while. I said "had" because most of them gave up posting already since there is almost never a response from the devs on test to their intelligent and mature concerns or observations. Too bad. The game could have sailed away from rocks and storms many times if devs would open some kind of conversation on test forums.

Lack of acknowledgments, or any open discussions on test results with some pretty crappy design blunts coming to life servers. O well, that is a topic of another story .

Hi everyone,

Thank you Pinkleet for your support, I appreciate it :)

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TSO community is pretty good actually compared to other games I played. Don't know if the devs understand, but actually on test forums we had the most mature, experienced and brilliant players posting for a while. I said "had" because most of them gave up posting already since there is almost never a response from the devs on test to their intelligent and mature concerns or observations. Too bad. The game could have sailed away from rocks and storms many times if devs would open some kind of conversation on test forums.

Lack of acknowledgments, or any open discussions on test results with some pretty crappy design blunts coming to life servers. O well, that is a topic of another story .

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I will share your thoughts with my colleagues and we will discuss what can be done.

And FYI I'm a man!

Cheers,
BB_Endesmor

I appreciate BB_Endesmor's work a lot. Reason why I posted this thread on here and not on EU/UK forum. Endesmor is the most awesome CM I have seen. (okay - not seen that many. He-he...)

Somehow he finds the time to read all on forum. And he passes on the players thoughts. With that many servers world wide, BB cannot possible handle all wishes and concerns, but US players can be sure that when they do take the time to write on forum, someone in the chain of command actually reads it. And in most cases respond to it. I was concerned at someone that seems to have lost the overview - not at BB_Endesmor.

I agree with Pinkleet on the test server. Players/testers - has been let down on test-server. Rather amazed to see a BB show up when the new scenario got it's beatings. It was a natural response from the testers - and that would have kept everyone from doing the new scenario. Dead scenario even before it would go live.

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You guys need to give Endesmor a break. She only passes on the info to Devs and back to us. She knows what the Devs tell her and it is not her fault Devs don't do what they say "will" do, or do something without informing her. It is like a buffer absorbing all the shocks from both sides of the game - players and developers.

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Well, from what I read in the initial post, that, uh, "anger" wasn't directed at Endesmor per se, but being in that shock absorber position...that's where the rant needs to be directed, that's what your CM is there for...communication, because you've seen how ignoring the devs are in this game. Not to mention Endesmor being an employee and getting paid for that...so your "break" is invalid right of the get go, it's part of the job.

Matter of fact (based on being here for 3 years, reading the forum and seeing what all gets implemented and added and ignored etc), some of the most desired features (Barracks slider being one of the big ones) took some 4 years to be added. It sure doesn't seem all that important when you are a noob, but the more advanced you get, the bigger the toll on your army, I still remember the grief of dropping 2k units @25 units per each stack...forever and ever and ever. Most of the time I only loaded a couple hundred at a time throughout the day because I got so demotivated with all that clicking

And that's just one of so many things.

Well whatever, I for one consider this to be a time sink on the side and not a "main game" that I can have fun with hours on end, it's simply lacking in so many areas for that...and just for that alone I'll just "rant out" when I see stuffs that need to be fixed (like tons in the Expedition area), but I'm not actively keep whining over the same thing over and over again.

With that said, it's indeed true that Endemor has been the best we've had in terms of CM, at least from what I've seen in the past 3 years. We could argue about needing these helpless 0815 standard responses like "I'll forward it" or as it was posted on this topic "We use the test server to collect feedback and improve these new features." which is among the biggest lies you can respond with to veterans here, but the follow up post also still suggests a good portion of humor, which is a pretty good trait to (still) have.

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Originally Posted by Pinkleet

You guys need to give Endesmor a break. She only passes on the info to Devs and back to us. She knows what the Devs tell her and it is not her fault Devs don't do what they say "will" do, or do something without informing her. It is like a buffer absorbing all the shocks from both sides of the game - players and developers. [...] Lack of acknowledgments, or any open discussions on test results with some pretty crappy design blunts coming to life servers. O well, that is a topic of another story .

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Agreed, this is what I was saying in my previous post. Oh, and I am pretty sure that Endesmor is male.

lol Wardog. I would like to add better guild quests to your list, but let's try to not get loose with personal attacks. :)

I used to read test forums often just to see how well the new features are analyzed and mechanics are broken down so it was easier to understand. Lately test forums are pretty quiet thou. Even by reading people who still post there (intelligently giving feedback) you can sense a very poor sentiment. Testers many times asked for some kind of dev interactions there or a response to their concerns. I guess most just gave up. You can't blame them.

Going through hoops to test, write a feedback, analyzing and calculating for hrs just to see things getting pushed into life servers again and again just as no feedback was ever given? Even the most hardcore will eventually get tired... The biggest blow to the testing community was the "new combat balance". The idea was a nuclear explosion and did really bad damage to the game. It exposed many issues openly few of which were really upsetting the players. Test forums posts are still plentiful to read about how devs not only play the game but even don't understand clearly its mechanics. The follow up changes in proposed troop attacks raised the eyebrows of all testers: there was no logic or a coherent idea to be found.

The fiasko of the "combat balance" was a devastating blow to the game community. People who spend countless hours analyzing and calculating, writing guides felt the hard core imprint of the dev shoes on their butts. Additional to this, a lot of testers just lost confidence in the devs themselves, realizing their own knowledge of the game mechanics is more in depth than people who actually design it. I wasn't the only one commenting on forums about how the BB "interns" are designing the game now and "o god what are they doing now..."

It seemed for a moment (few months really) the game design team kinda felt apart. Not sure what was going on at BB office but I wasn't the only one feeling the lack of firm direction where the game was going. "Combat balance" was largely abandoned - only FT adventures were changed (thanks god) and we had to adjust our game to new loot tables (weapons removed).

Recent changes and developments seems to point to some clear ideas of the design team for the game. Lots of new features were lately introduced that has been asked by players for years. "Pvp" still needs hell lot of ironing out, fixing bugs and glitches and improving, but is here to stay even if not liked by many - accepted as a feature of the game. It seems someone at BB office is paying a bit more attention to players ideas, feedback, info. That is great.

Unfortunately, it might be a bit too late. Players who were corner stones of community are not interested anymore in being such, largely because of last year commotions. EvilJ openly said he is not interested in making any more guides, same sentiment was expressed by Corona and Killste...Posts on test forums are more of a simple notices now "here is a bug fix it, thanks". Last year the forum was brimming with discussions, analysis and ideas, now is more like a clean up crew after a party...Too bad, I really enjoyed that forum, the discussions there and the perspectives. The immense knowledge presented by testers and some really cool ideas on how to implement changes. Guess this is history now...As perhaps is this post :)