I've been mulling over my new Geologists abilities the past few days wondering if it is worth the retrain....
Question: Can the Contentious Geologist(given perfect chance) be capable of finding 4 deposits or only 3 with the various 2in1 perks?
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I've been mulling over my new Geologists abilities the past few days wondering if it is worth the retrain....
Question: Can the Contentious Geologist(given perfect chance) be capable of finding 4 deposits or only 3 with the various 2in1 perks?
Common question. Put you books in it an find out so we can finally have an answer... pretty please.
Already done. He will find one (1) extra (if one is available to find and not already 'locked' by another searching geologist) more deposit than he can. SO: He can find 3 marble deposits if your geo has the skill, "Two Marble in One;" 3 Iron Ore deposits if your geo has "Two Marble in One." Note that the 3rd deposit in these cases is NOT guaranteed - A deposit needs to be available, and the "Two *** in One" skills have only a 8/16/24% of being activated per search. Yes, I have done these and confirmed results on my isle.
I did not try the, "Two Coal in One," as I feel the books are better spent on other skills, but am sure it works in the same manner as marble and iron.
I also did not try the "Lucky Find" skill with the new geo as I'd prefer to have larger deposits ("Natural Born Digger"), so I am curious on what effect his skill has working with the "Two *** in One" and "Lucky Find"... Perhaps I will play with this on the test server, but even if it works (able to find up to 3 appropriate deposits with one of them being the "Lucky Find"), I am not sure it will be worth it over a guaranteed skill ("Natural Born Digger"), especially in light that he is a 'slow' geo.
You keep confirming the 1 extra deposit, guessing the 2in1 skill then, but haven't rebutted the possibility at 4in1, aka when his "main" search triggers 2in1 and IF his inate ability to find a guaranteed 2nd deposit has the potential to trigger the 2in1 ability as well or not.Quote:
Already done. He will find one (1) extra (if one is available to find and not already 'locked' by another searching geologist) more deposit than he can. SO: He can find 3 marble deposits if your geo has the skill, "Two Marble in One;" 3 Iron Ore deposits if your geo has "Two Marble in One." Note that the 3rd deposit in these cases is NOT guaranteed - A deposit needs to be available, and the "Two *** in One" skills have only a 8/16/24% of being activated per search. Yes, I have done these and confirmed results on my isle.
In the end I'm still on the fence with skilling him (that is way after the Explorers, which will take another few months...). Not entirely sure how to make best use of him. Right now, he's filling in Geo position 9+10 to get marble search in the morning out of the way in the first session and not needing to assign 2 more after the 1st session. Atm thinking more of a "send him out premature...timed...to have him find deposits shortly after they collapse"...back then I did it with marble, which had a pretty high chance of working, although iron never did....however it has started to do so "recently". Then again...not sure how to play him yet, until Explorers are done I got quite a while to make up my mind.
Well, I cannot refute that with absolute confidence as that is a BB issue. lol - However, in his description, "Finds an additional deposit wherever possible," which indicates one additional (an being singular), makes it unlikely he will find one on his 'base' search, and then possibly an additional one on his "Two *** in One" skill.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ceruhe
Mine has found, since his tenure with my isle, perhaps 5 marble and 3-4 iron searches which contained the additional (Two in One...) deposits and no, a 4th deposit did not appear in any of these cases.
Is he normal or double speed?
Normal
So Jolly is more effective. He can find 4 deposits in the same that Contentious can find 3.
Well, not really.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jani321
Consider this:
- The Conscientious Geologist will be guaranteed* to find you two (2) deposits and if science is applied properly, get you one more at a 24% rate per search period.
- The Jolly Geologist is guaranteed* to find you one (1) deposit and if science is applied properly, get you one more at a 24% rate per half search period (being 2x fast as Wino/Conscientious Geos).
- User interaction is required to resend the Jolly on the second iteration.
- Since the the extra deposits derived from "Two *** in One" skill are NOT automatic, but a 24% chance, this makes the chances of the Jolly getting both extra deposits quite small, statistically speaking.
Since the % probability of finding the 2in1 is 24% for each individual search, the probability of the Jolly finding a 3rd and 4th in the same search period is:
Finding 2in1 in both searches = 5.6%.
Finding 2in1 in one search or the other = 42%
Finding 2in1 in neither search = 24.2%.
So, it is a close call in the area of time and the Jolly's advantage is not so great when considering the probabilities. I suppose it comes down to preferences; relatively speaking, he is cheap enough, and unless you already have a glut of geos, the conscientious geo would be a nice asset to perform morning (and sometimes nightly) searches. Also consider many send out geos when they plan to be afk for a bit, so does it really matter in many cases if he is 'fast' or not?
* = Guaranteed based upon said deposits being available to find.
Note:
Since the Conscientious Geologist is a 'slow' specialist, be sure to consider the order in which you send out your geologists. Actually, this is probably helpful information to any new player who sends out many geologists with differing skills/abilities.
In my testing, each geologist is given/assigned a random available deposit(s) of the type selected by the player, at the moment the order is issued to him, and NOT based upon the order that he will return from his search. As such, it is advisable to send the geologists with the skills you most desire first. As an example, if you are performing your morning marble search sending out 10 geos to find marble, and Conscientious Geologist last, he will not get his 2nd deposit as 9 before him have already been 'spoken for' by the previously assigned geologists; send Conscientious (and any other multiple deposit gleaning geologist) first, then follow-up with the low/no skilled geologists.