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I know we are all busy with the Halloween event, but if you have some time pop over to test and take a look at the Christmas event. It appears to be a clone of last year for the most part... but they have three new generals coming out that look amazing. Feel free to weigh in on the conversation.
Fair warning, still 16 days before you can get one of the generals to play around with.
Three new Generals?!?!?!?!? Huzzah!!!
OK, so looks like we have to pick one of three from the advent calendar. The female looks to be the most powerful. This is cool!
...... and now, back to regularly scheduled programming.....
I'm a little surprised they managed to get an additional 3 unique generals given the limited amount of variables generals have.
Not to mention their power. Standalone they are delivering quite the blow already, their abilities are mostly useful but their 150 unit capacity kind of delegates them to be sac most of the time or at least I wouldn't have many camps in mind at the moment that they could take out more efficiently that MMA/Major on a 1 wave attack.
If nothing about them is changing anymore, then hands down the female one looks to be the winner hands down, can copy the job the MMA does by some levels of magnitude. If their effects last beyond their own fights, I might take another look but even then, te female is a sure bet either way at the current state, but obviously still need to wait for the final version.
Is this part of the Feminist agenda?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ceruhe
Wouldn't really surprise me at current day situations, but I don't care either way here, it's a bloody picture and it does nothing for me to "identify" myself with anything or anyone...however the logic of them works.Quote:
Is this part of the Feminist agenda?
It IS! Zee women are taking over!Quote:
Originally Posted by EpsilonSilver
LOOK! There's one now! :eek:
http://thesettlersonlinewiki.com/upl...lists_Star.png
Ruuuuuuuuun!!
:D
Really though, well done BB for finally figuring out that women do exist.
I blame Excelsior. It empowered the women.
Santa Explorer would make more sense. Since he "brings back the goodies" and presents
Looking at the wiki, I literally will have absolutely nothing to spend presents on. Guess I'm loading up on Grout ...
Also what does Flanking do? I honestly have no idea how it could fit into our current combat system.
I believe that 'Flanking' is the same as 'Attack Weakest Unit'.
Hey, test is still up. Maybe this maintenance is just an excuse to get people over there for 14 hours.
Maybe one of your guildies can put tricks on your nobles till you get home? I'll be checking my guild members and tricking anyone with low pumpkins in the morning.
Tricking only works for two hours... but it's an idea... if my noble patches have any pk's left.
This thread is about christmas, if the Cubs win the world series it will be like christmas.... ugh Kluber.
It's not so bad.
Go Indians.Quote:
Originally Posted by KingHomer
Fair warning: Long post.
Okay though you still cannot try the three new generals out on test, BB_Alex has done a great job with us filling in the blanks. As they stand right now {made very clear this is all subject to change, and they have already} here they are and what they can do.
Vargus
15 minute travel time/ 2 hour recovery time.
Splash damage.
First Strike.
Enemy Units Deal 5% less damage.
Enemy Units can No longer “Attack Weakest First”
Nusala
15 minute travel time/ 2 hour recovery time.
Splash damage.
First Strike.
Attacks weakest first.
Offensive units assigned to her gain first strike, splash damage, and attack weakest {offensive units are bowmen, longbowmen, crossbowmen, marksmen, and armored marksmen} See this post for an explanation of unit types.
Anslem
15 minute travel time/ 2 hour recovery time.
Splash damage.
Attacks weakest first.
All enemy units hit with 0% accuracy. {For those unaware of what accuracy is, each unit has a high and low damage number. So an enemy with 80% accuracy and 50-100 damage will always do 50 damage instead.}
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What is still unclear is their troop capacity. In the latest change log we are told the generals will be released sometime next week to play with. There is a rumor that their capacity is 150, not sure where that comes from. There is also speculation that these can only be used on the 1001 Nights adventures. Not sure where they got that information from either.
Anyway, as it stands right now you can only get one of these three from the Christmas advent calendar so choose wisely. Which one is the best? In spite of what anyone tells you, there is no answer for that as it depends on how you play the game.
Vargus will protect your lower hit points units from those pesky dogs, bosses and the likes. No more making bowmen to protect crossbowmen. You are free to send cavalry to camps you would not have dreamed of before. Soldiers can now protect cannoneers if you wish. Knights are now even more pointless as you can replace them with swordsmen. Your betrothed armored and mounted marksmen are safe to live another day. Depending on how much damage he deals and the fact that he is first strike you can most likely use him as a sacrifice much like you would your Master of Martial arts. Depending on his troop capacity he will save so many lives which equals precious barracks time.
Nusalais more or less a cavalry upgrade. Almost any camp you sent cavalry or mounted marksmen at in the past, she will help decimate with extreme prejudice. You can substitute crossbowmen for cavalry, use bowmen to protect them in cases there is an enemy with “attack weakest” and she will tear that camp apart. Odds are if you are not in a hurry and do not mind sending one attack at a time you can pretty much kill off all those cavalry clogging up your population limit. Again, just like Vargus she will save you tons of lives and barracks time. Capacity is still a big question.
Sorry, that was Nusula classic, not Nusla light. She does give the splash and attack weakest to the aforementioned "attack units", but not first strike. Either way she will run the enemies through the mud as bowmen and such now have splash damage. With this change you will still need your cavalry. She will be good for weakening those camps where your units normally hit the boss first.
Anslem looks like he has taken the biggest hit since he was teased. Do not get me wrong he will be very helpful with saving lives, he just seems a little underpowered compared to the other two but that does not make him unworthy. His lack of first strike might not make him the best for sacrifice waves, but one other thing we do not know about these generals is how many hit points they have so I cannot make that claim with confidence. His big advantage will be against bosses. You take something like the Oasis Guardian that does 5-10k damage. With him the Guardian will only do 5k each round. That alone cuts half of your losses to start with, not counting how many more you will save from being able to bring more of your heavy hitters in their place. Again if the rumor of 150 troops is true, I would hope they would leave this guy at 200. Other than that he can save you plenty of lives along the way. You can essentially ignore caltrops and shadow sneakers with him as their low damage is 0, meaning you can throw those cavalry into your attack on those camps now. Yes, on the surface he is a bit less desirable but there is some depth to his combat mechanics and like the others he will save you many lives.
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So as of right now that is how these three generals are described to work. Evaluate your play style and choose which general fits you best. Once I get my hands on them I will give you an update filling in the gaps. I am sure, like me you want them all, but all you have to do is log in daily for 18 days and you get one for free. Though there is no word on it yet, I would not be surprised if the two you do not pick show up in the Black Market tab for an unreal amount of gems as Blue Byte likes food on their table as much as anyone else.
I hope there isn't a minimum level requirement to get any of these generals. If they are Arabian only, there would be. On the other hand, lower level players wouldn't have any special prizes that day, so maybe they are for all levels.
According to test server Nusala DOES NOT give AM first strike at all it says they dont gain it as they already have the att weakest skill target and gains splash from Nusala.
Therefore AM 2 skills become att weakest and splash, they dont inherit a 3rd skill
Statement below taken from test
Armored Marksman will benefit being with Nusala, since they will recieve the splash damage ability. Combined with the huge amount of damage those units are dealing (100-200), it will become a quite big benefit. Yes Nusala won't provide flanking to those unit, because they do already have this ability.
first strike and att weakest are under flanking which is the skill she passes on but like the above says they wont get the flanking (first strike) part due to them already having att weakest targets which is itself a flanking skill.
You are correct Sir, I missed that.
Using the info in settler wiki, these general can take 150 troop.
Nusala with 150 xbow can do about 12150 first strike damage.
I just roughly go though VLT and could as least find 6 camps that can be taken down without loss.
(2nd camp in area 1, 2nd camp in area 2, 3rd camp in area 3, 1st 2nd 4th in area 4)
save more then 1k recruit.
not sure if this is too powerful.....
Nusala does not enable xbow to do first strike damage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gibamou
oh, ya.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dappadon
my mistake.
The more MMA-esque generals I can get the better.
Thanks Alex and SweaterPuppies for all the info. Hope BB irons out any wrinkles on those generals and make them great and worth getting. Hype is high so gogo BB!
so they are basically a free gen, on the calendar you can pick one. so will these be for sale later?
Unknown.Quote:
Originally Posted by Troll-Phu
Likely from the german wiki, cAmou's info, god knows what kind of inside hacker he is, usually has the top tier accurate info, stuff he puts out is just about always going to live servers as they are with little to no changes, this time looks to be a bit different, but that also just "confirms" that the info prior was correct and we are already looking at Nualsa nerfs.Quote:
What is still unclear is their troop capacity. In the latest change log we are told the generals will be released sometime next week to play with. There is a rumor that their capacity is 150, not sure where that comes from. There is also speculation that these can only be used on the 1001 Nights adventures. Not sure where they got that information from either.
To add, these generals were listed with 150HP (moot), but they all did between 1500 - 3000 dmg, espicially Vargus and Nualsa were higher with along with a having 1st/splash/weakest combination. That kind of power is 3-4x that of a MMA, thus the assumption that they'd only be available for 1001+ would sound reasonable, 3k first strike/splash on old adventures will wreck havoc on many camps and still quite a few FT adventures.
150 units was also listed there, which would just instantly make you think of them as sac units, and then' you'd pick the one that is closest to the MMA, which was/is Nualsa, add in the ability to give Flanking, that's a versatile option _everywhere_ as opposed to just more specialised camps, such as boss camps for Anslem.
Obviously we need to wait for the final version of them and then give it another thought before making a desicion. Chances are at first glance it won't matter, at second glance you picked the proper one, at 3rd glance...in about 2+ years when BB has some crazy updated that breaks any conventional rule, we'll regret that desicion hehe
I truly hope that it is not the case that they can only be taken on 1001 Nights adventures. The very last thing I want is a restricted general. It is bad enough they rushed the new elite units out so that they cannot play well with others. Maintaining three armies is a pain. If you can only take them on the 1001 Nights adventures, for me at least, this new general would just sit clogging up my star menu 90% of the time depressing me like the marshals every time I scroll by. BB_Alex said that these three are to test the types of possible skills for the long awaited general skill trees. So unless adding a skill to one of the other generals removes its eligibility from using them in the old adventures, it makes little sense to limit this one. Also if they are indeed 150 unit capacity, that is dropping 120 possible units which should be punishment enough for the bonuses the general gives the units it can carry. Yeah they are still the most powerful generals out there, but when the skill tree hits they might lose their shine because of that cap.
Anywho, like you said. This is all speculation at this point and I should probably be concentrating more no pumpkins right now than content that cannot even be tested yet.
Well SweaterPuppies..... it's hard not to obsess on this. Believe me, I get it.
Eh. I am really excited about the new generals as well. I hope BB does a good/great job in toning their skills and abilities. True, if a new general skill tree is coming up on the horizons they might lose their new "shininess" eventually but for now - drools.
Can't wait to see what kind of wrecking ball and force of destruction my skilled MMA's become, what kind of rolling tank my MG will be and finally what kind of nuclear strike training the new 300 general will offer :) GoGoGo BB!
First, thank you and BB_Alex for the insight.Quote:
Originally Posted by SweaterPuppies
Second, there is something else missing aside from capacity which is important, and that would be HP and Damage by the generals.
Depending on the hitpoints and/or damage capabilities, I think that Anslem could become a very useful blocker/1st wave specialist akin to the MoD. Think of being able to calculate your enemies for known damage instead of the huge variable damage they could do (Especially with attacks which require many rounds - each round opens up the variable). One could easily calculate to the integer how much damage a camp could inflict on Anslem each round leaving out the myriad of computations that there could be (depending on the defenders). So, if Anslem has a sufficient number of HP, he could be quite formidable in specific roles.
Sounds like fun.
But again, since they have all been changed since the teaser (from what I heard at least), we need to wait for the final version. Opinions and uses will change with every change made, so we might as well just save our breathes until then heheQuote:
To add, these generals were listed with 150HP (moot), but they all did between 1500 - 3000 dmg, espicially Vargus and Nualsa were higher with along with a having 1st/splash/weakest combination.
Yes, will be like Christmas morning all over again! Unwrapping the presents, having expectations, and discovering something else!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ceruhe
Reminds me of this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raubhautz
I don't need socks for Christmas.
Thanks to SweaterPuppies, Bri0sheje, Skyfall, Perwyn, EvilJ, Raubhautz and few others who actually help translating the info from German site into English. Your knowledge of the game mechanics is quite impressive. great posts on test about the new generals and their abilities. Keep us informed about the changes happening to the generals. Each of them seem to have some unique skills and each will be useful in different situations. Once test servers are done I would love to see a wrap up of each general with explanations of where he/she will be useful the most (camp/adventures types).
Thanks guys for your hard work:)
If they are good to their word, in a few hours they will be out on test to play around with. Um, my Nusula post was inaccurate before, I kind of changed it a little. I was still looking at her pre-nerf. So hopefully later today I can give a good summary of them all as they stand to help you all decide which one you want.
As of today BB_Alex said they are still debating whether or not to allow you to get the others for gems after the event. They are more focused on making sure they work correctly and have a proper balance first.
Thanks so much SweaterP for the update. There is lots of buzz on life and in guilds about this. Hope BB does good job on tuning them.
Now that we can get our hands on them, here is your update on what our new generals are capable of.
They can be sent to any adventure/venture. No 1001 Nights restriction. Which is good because giving a level 15 player a general he cannot use is silly. They are not as overpowered as when they were teased so it is not that big of a deal. Still a game changer. I feel bad for the poor guide makers that are going to be so annoyed by all the requests to update theirs. I see FastSim is working on adding the new generals. As of right now it is not accurate, but they did just come out and are clearly labeled as unfinished.
Okay, here they are in all their glory:
Vargus
15 minute travel time and 2 hour recovery time
First Strike
Splash Damage
Damage: 750-1250
Accuracy: 80%
Troop capacity: 180 units
Hit Points: 200
Skill: 5% decreased damage from enemy units and enemies can no longer “attack weakest unit”
http://i.imgur.com/NPRWjtX.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/n6prAWt.jpg
Nusula
15 minute travel time and 2 hour recovery time
First strike
Splash Damage
Damage: 1000-1500
Accuracy: 90%
Troop Capacity: 165 units
Hit Points: 150
Skill: All offensive units gain splash damage and attack weakest {attack units are bowmen, longbowmen, crossbowmen, marksmen, and armored marksmen}
http://i.imgur.com/3vnfgAA.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/guaFL1C.jpg
Anslem
15 minute travel time and 2 hour recovery time
Attack Weakest
Damage: 1000-1500
Accuracy: 50%
Troop Capacity: 150 units
Hit Points: 150
Skill: Enemy units hit with 0% accuracy {that is enemy unit’s low damage number, not zero}
http://i.imgur.com/7SLLbPq.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/iZCEKsI.jpg
As said before, you get to chose from one of these beasts just for logging in for the first 18 days of the Christmas event. How to decide is again dependant on how you play the game. If you love your Master of Martial Arts, Vargus and Nusula are reminiscent of that. Anything you sent him to his demise on with 1 recruit these two will do better. Hit points on these three are irrelevant. 150 will most likely never get you to a second round.
Vargus’ advantage is ignoring all the units and bosses that want to take out your cavalry, crossbowmen, armored marksmen, mounted marksmen, and besiegers. Using him to replace Knights with swordsmen so the 150/350 hitpoints barrier as opposed to the 80 should save you tons. That said his 180 troop capacity might not always be better over a Major.
Nusula’s gig is she gives your heavy hitters splash damage and attack weakest. I originally misread/misunderstood flanking. She does not give your attack units first strike. Armored marksmen with splash damage sounds nice, but I am not sure how much of a benefit this will give you with the loss of over 100 troops. She is definitely quite a boot to the older adventures making crossbowmen more appealing, and possibly better than cannoneers on some occasions.
Anslem’s still the same old guy. Without first strike he is questionable as a 1r sacrifice if that is your thing. As long as there are no first strike units he will put a nice dent in the camp. And like I said with caltrops and shadow sneakers he ignores their attack entirely. Opposite of what I hope he has the lowest troop capacity. Just starting to play around with him, but it would seem he is the most beneficial against bosses with high damage and high hitpoints.
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These are just my initial impressions. Whenever the combat sims get the numbers down we will have a far better idea of what they are capable of. These three will do some damage to the older adventures, but with their lower troop capacity I am uncertain of how much they will help us with the enemy camps with higher troop counts. Time will tell and hopefully this will help you decide which to choose. I highly recommend you go to the test server and try them out yourselves before deciding.