COA: Anslem vs Vargus

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Originally Posted by Bigbobdog

Its not that anslem is useless he just pales in comparison on Babas. Your insistence that it is just as good on lets say WC or third thief seems silly and i would love to see a guide that proves it is the same.

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Originally Posted by Evil_J

- obviously my sims consider blocks, if you dont block doesnt make sense to think about saving troops

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I think guides can actually be different, and Evil's use of blocks does make a difference...
If you are like me, who doesn't necessarily enjoy blocks (poor internet connection), but still want to save troops, Anslem can be better on WoodCutter..
Unlike EVil's numbers for woodcutter, here are my numbers for Anslem, Vargus and Nausala on WoodCutter...
and if you do not block, the gap between anslem and vargus is most certainly not as wide as it looks in numbers from Evil_J

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...2kbESo/pubhtml

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Originally Posted by Bigbobdog

Well you said useful in Evil Queen but yet no numbers. The numbers you gave as well as ones i gave show yes he is the best at VLT.

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Well, there is this from a few days ago. http://forum.thesettlersonline.net/t...l=1#post277015

Those are numbers from Red Riding Hood, number 4 in the Evil Queen chain. As you can see Anslem and Vargus go back and forth as to who is most effective, depending on the camp and end up with almost the same barracks time.

I just finished Hansel & Gretel, another in the EQ chain, : Aslem lost 42 MSw, 182Kn = 13.6 hrs / Vargus lost 147 MSw = 12.2 hrs. So Vargus came out slightly ahead.

Like I said earlier, I'm not so worried about a little extra barracks time. With skunks and recruitment guides, an extra hour is reduced to almost nothing. The fact that I can use Anslem in VLT and SLT makes up for a few extra minutes in the barracks somewhere else. (4 camps in SLT saves 64R,76M, not huge savings but it all helps)

It still all comes down to everybody has a slightly different way of playing. Doesn't make anybody wrong or right, it just is what it is. Looking at Alice's post above, she can do better on YWC with Anslem since she doesn't use blocks. Yet another way of playing.

So we all have an opinion, slightly different based on how we play / what we're focused on. I'm glad we're having this elongated discussion and hope it helps people figure out which one to get based on how they play and what they want to work toward.

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Went thru Pied Piper, this one tips in favor of Anslem.

100 Wolf – 50 Fox – Bogor – Gogor
MG: 10 Msw- 120 Kn- 140 Bsg [9 Msw- 25 Kn]
Anslem: 10 Msw- 105 Kn – 35 Bsg [10 Msw – 6 Kn]
Vargus: 10 Msw- 40 Kn- 43 MM – 87 Bsg [10 Msw – 26 Kn]

250 Fox – 75 Bear – Pied Piper – King of Rats
MG: 20 Msw- 160 Kn – 90 Bsg [20 Msw – 147 Kn]
Anslem: 20 Msw- 48 Kn- 82 Bsg [20 Msw- 47 Kn]
Vargus: 92 Msw- 44MM – 44 Bsg [91 Msw]

200 Ryl Cav- 50 Xbow – Dark Wizard
MG: 20 Msw- 100Kn – 150 Bsg [20 Msw – 100 Kn]
Anslem: 20 Msw- 45 Kn- 85 Bsg [20 Msw- 40 Kn]
Vargus: 92 Msw- 42MM – 46 Bsg [92 Msw]

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Originally Posted by Perwyn

Well, there is this from a few days ago. http://forum.thesettlersonline.net/t...l=1#post277015

100 Wolf – 50 Fox – Bogor – Gogor
MG: 10 Msw- 120 Kn- 140 Bsg [9 Msw- 25 Kn]
Anslem: 10 Msw- 105 Kn – 35 Bsg [10 Msw – 6 Kn]
Vargus: 10 Msw- 40 Kn- 43 MM – 87 Bsg [10 Msw – 26 Kn]

250 Fox – 75 Bear – Pied Piper – King of Rats
MG: 20 Msw- 160 Kn – 90 Bsg [20 Msw – 147 Kn]
Anslem: 20 Msw- 48 Kn- 82 Bsg [20 Msw- 47 Kn]
Vargus: 92 Msw- 44MM – 44 Bsg [91 Msw]

200 Ryl Cav- 50 Xbow – Dark Wizard
MG: 20 Msw- 100Kn – 150 Bsg [20 Msw – 100 Kn]
Anslem: 20 Msw- 45 Kn- 85 Bsg [20 Msw- 40 Kn]
Vargus: 92 Msw- 42MM – 46 Bsg [92 Msw]

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Hey Perwyn, slightly better sims for Vargus comparison assuming that combat sim you linked is correct:

Vargus 18MSW 82MM 80AM (Mounted Swordsman: 11 - 17 (Φ 14.69764)) ---> Gogor
Vargus 84MSW 96BSG (Mounted Swordsman: 65 - 83 (Φ 75.47490)) ---> King of Rats
Vargus 80MSW 100AM (Mounted Swordsman: 67 - 79 (Φ 73.68573)) ---> Dark Wizard

Personally I will encounter many more Mounted Bowman than I will Foxes/Cavs on my adventures, so I'm going Vargus. Either of them will be fine but Nus seems only useful for sac'ing.

Thanks Blam!

Hiya Evil J, thanks so much for all the time and effort you put into your guides. I'm building troops for a ToK run. At this point, should I wait for your Vargus guide?

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Originally Posted by Perwyn

The time savings in the barracks is important. [...] I don't think there's a right or wrong choice here, it depends on how a person is playing the game. If a person is using Evil_J's guides all the time, then they'd better pick Vargus since he is, otherwise, there are other factors to consider in the decision making process.

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Very true, though I do believe if players primarily use Evil_J guides, they may still desire other generals for 'style' purposes, or whatever. Evil's primary concern is barracks time; if that is not yours, make the appropriate adjustment(s). Most players probably do not visit the test server often enough to test out the new stuff so are forced to rely on the recommendations of others.

Let us not forget that it appears that these generals may NOT be available again through the merchant.... so choose carefully, whatever your considerations are!

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Originally Posted by Evil_J

Long story short, i'm picking VARGUS, and its the one ill use on guides from now on.

THANK YOU, EVIL_J! The one and only true rock star in the game!

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Thanks Evil_J. The walking times take forever now. It's awful so less walking times are attractive at this point.

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Hiya Evil J, thanks so much for all the time and effort you put into your guides. I'm building troops for a ToK run. At this point, should I wait for your Vargus guide?

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You will end up waiting long time for that, ToK is just about the most terrible from the Ali's, low priority on his list.

people speaking for me is fun :)
actually ive redone de guides for almost all babas, only missing oil, princess and tok, it will be done fast if i dont need to take new prints, if its just change some troops it will be posted very soon

also to add some numbers to the table in 1st page
Seasnake: -17h in barracks
Besieged: -10.5h in barracks

on oil it will just replace 1 camp in short/mid run, and 2 more camps on the full run
princess havent looked yet, probably not very good savings either, but its a sucky adv anyway ;)
knowledge can probably save 10-20h in barracks, just a rough estimate for now

im also picking a gen based on the fact that these gens might be unique and not be available in the shop later ;)

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Originally Posted by Evil_J

im also picking a gen based on the fact that these gens might be unique and not be available in the shop later ;)

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I just had to say for fun (i.e. you might still be right) :D -
Remember Industrial Mines?
Remember Grout only during events?
etc...

And I really hope BB understands, what BB is saying publicly on this very forum :|

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Originally Posted by BB_Aeyline

Hi CoffeeCat,

We plan on offering the new generals in the shop at some point in the coming year. :)

Cheers,

BB_Aeyline

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ive heard so many things in the past, skill tree for generals and home island for example...you never know :)
but doesnt make sense having you pick 1 now if you can get all later

Yeah, you just never know. And you can't count on them being there next Christmas either! (remember the gold tower?)

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Originally Posted by Perwyn

Yeah, you just never know. And you can't count on them being there next Christmas either! (remember the gold tower?)

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Gold towers are different.. You can get four in shop...
Imagine this - Evil picks Vargus, and makes all his guides with Vargus...
New player joins the game, and looks for guides.. Find's Evil's guides of course.. loves them so much, and wants to use them...

But then, realizes that there is one Gen, which s/he doesn't have :(, and perhaps will never have.....
You get the idea I hope :D

I think this game will end, if BB makes a special general available only during a point in time, and never again...
Doesn't make sense to me... This is not beta memorial or other buildings we are talking about...
A general is very important part of the game.. and it just doesn't make sense to me, to not make them available for players who join later (or even those who have been playing)..

As for the choice during this event, only reason to pick I can think of is, you'd get 3+1.. so Yes, a choice during this event does make sense, if I want 2 Anslem, 1 Vargus, 1 Nausala.... vs 1 Anslem, 2 Vargus, 1 Nausala.. etc..

EDIT: But then, BB sometimes does defy common sense :o
Sadly, I'd agree to

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Originally Posted by Evil_J

you never know

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EDIT 2: A calendar doesn't guarantee that even existing players will pick a general...
Imagine Evil falls sick (sorry Evil.. just picking on you for fun :D), and doesn't get to login for 5 days.. and event ends :(
Bye Bye Vargus, and the guides with Vargus :D

Now I must deal with wrath of Evil fans, for even imagining the scenario :D

If the MMA is 7k gems, odds are these new generals will be up around there too. So it is probably best to pick thinking this will be the only new general you get.

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Originally Posted by BB_Aeyline

Hello guys,
..... Regarding the new generals, we are still discussing the specific details that will determine when and how they will be offered in-game. We understand the importance of this information, so rest assured an official post will be published as soon as these decisions have been made.....

Cheers,

BB_Aeyline

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I like this response :)
I am going with Anslem, hoping to get "2 Anslem, 1 Vargus, 1 Nausala"
and yes, I'd spend gems to get them.

its written NUSALA!
shouldve posted it in the title of the topic :rolleyes:

also not sure what you mean by 'falls sick', sickness runs away from evil :)

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people speaking for me is fun

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After Jan 1st ill add vargus to some guides, and share my best current versions for some of those adventures, more precisely, ill post my best guides with vargus included for the following:
- All 5 FTs
- WC, all thiefs, wisdom


with time ill it to the rest of the babas (knowledge, sinbads and aladdins), and to ventures

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If our definitions of "with time" are that far apart, I guess I'll shut up lol

Now that I actually have Anslem here's how a few adventures worked out for me:

3rd Thief: I was able to replace a major with Anslem on 4 camps and substantially reduce time spent waiting on generals walking. Completed 2 of them in 1 hour and 54 or 55 minutes each, including travel time. Cut my barracks time down by 7.88 hours.

Beautiful Princess: Again substantially cut walking time by subbing Anslem for a major in seven attacks and finished in 1 hour and 35 minutes. Next time will be even shorter since 1:35 included retreating a botched attack several minutes into the walk there. Cut barracks time by 10.86 hours.

YWC: Cut barracks time by 3.86 hours. Once I remember to bring a few extra MM and KN I'll be able to shave a few minutes off of run time as well.

Overall figuring this stuff out has been a lot of fun! Hope everybody is enjoying their choice of general as much as I am mine.

found 23.3h in oil lamp full run with vargus :)
only 3.3h on short and 5.3h on med though

26h on sea snake, also with the addition of 2 stacked blocks, was 17h before adding those blocks
10h on besieged

princess have not looked yet
not so bad against sailors this vargus guy :)

I picked Anslem too, is same, for my style of playing as well.. meaning to mess with...
I think BB will make the other 's available soon...
Vargus genl will be my next one to get...
Cheers!
A~

Special Cheers to E.J, Ty for all u do, for our fav game, and continue to do!!!

Hello Settlers,

If you would like to take a look and play with the other two generals, head on over to the Test server! As always, I look forward to reading your feedback.

See you in-game,

BB_Aeyline

It looks like they have already moved the generals to the Black Market on the Test Server. Since we have not started testing the Easter Event yet, that would indicate some timeframe on when it will likely be available for gems, and even a preliminary price.

http://i66.tinypic.com/2r7rb7a.jpg

That price is quite reasonable, though I still wonder what this means as far as quantities.

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Originally Posted by Gwalben

That price is quite reasonable, though I still wonder what this means as far as quantities.

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The test server will not let you buy a second of the one you chose from the calendar. Just like a rarity provisions house. So it is looking like 1 of each max.

I kind of figured one each but kept hoping for more. I checked out Evil's guide, and Vargus looks quite impressive against mounted bowmen. I was thinking about waiting until Christmas and seeing if these pop up again, but I'll at least grab Vargus right away based on those numbers.

From the conversations with BB_Alex on test, it is intended to only have one of each.

yes it will be limited to 1 of each
they should be added to live servers soon, as usually the new items from events are added to the shop after event ends