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Dear Settlers,
Today we'd like to invite you to take part in a survey regarding the Achievements System in the game. Tell us what you think about it by choosing one or more options in the poll above.
- Run-time: Aug 3rd - Aug 10th 2018
Your time in providing us your participation in the poll and opinions is very much appreciated.
Happy Settling,
BB_Odhran
Voting to not care primarily and only because event acheesements follow the "Everybody is a Winner" participation trophy route, can't stand that crap.
Agree with Ceruhe. That trophy is ugly. You guys used to do a unique pop building every event -- was nice to see who managed what over the years. Also keeping track of both achieves and quests is .. tedious.
ciara
I didn't really see my choice of the answers, so I chose the middle option.
I did not see an option that I would agree with 100% but I think achievements should not be locked into an event, if you miss them you can never get them and the only purpose they serve is to make you feel pain and regret that you could not find 1000 collectibles....
I guess it's a part of the game, just something to do. Middle option describes exactly how I look at it :)
I didn't really see my choice of the answers, so I chose the middle option with my vote .
Event achievements are OK. Regular game achievements I ignore unless there is a reward for doing them.
Its hard to vote on this if you have your choices picked for you.
With 4 positive and 1 really negative.
The event achievements are great but the reward for them are not so great. The rewards we get requires building licence to build and gives zero reward for having it on the island. the event final reward would be somewhat ok if i could build it on island without the licence spot needed for it.
Achievements help to provide some structure to the game. Thus having them even if unfinished makes you take notice to things you might miss otherwise. AS far as events go having unique buildings and items on each event helps.... One thing you might want to add to a Event is maybe a Shotfirer or Demo Crew... since you cant buy enough of them to totally clear off your islands mountains and rubble....
Agreed - this is an awesome idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sherman_Grant
ciara
I like the game achievements. But I'd change event achievements to event quests (all visible from the start of the event), so you can get the rewards, but without the negative "now you can't ever complete them" feeling (if you didn't during the particular event AND particular year).
Any of the free gem achievements are about the only worthwhile ones to obtain. Rewards past the 50 cap raise for all adventure achievements are 1 and done or don't bother. Permanent event achievement points forever sets anyone back if they are counted... and the only method is to compare in private, perhaps a global ranking for those who care? Probably more useful than the expidition rankings.
I would welcome new achievement processess, i can think of simple things like produce 10M/100M XX resources, collect island collects, excelsior adv/quests achievements, explorer/geo/gen achievements, complete x adv 100 times, A revamp to older rewards for appeal? If not maybe a rewards for meeting a value of Achievement Points?
I rarely 100% any game. If I get an achievement, that's good, but I don't chase after them. As far as events, those are the ones I do try to chase after. At least enough to get whatever big reward is attached to them. Some I can't be bothered with, but there is enough leeway to be able to miss some.
I think the achievements help me in the event.... However in the last event I completed everything, opened every door, logged in a couple of times each day and got every reward, EXCEPT that for some reason it didn't count 3 of the days for the final reward. I don't know which three because I got each daily reward behind every door and didn't spend gems opening any doors. something messed up in the programming. missed out because of a programming error :(
Now if I looked back to compare it will say I completed 100% of the event, but it will also show that I didn't do as well as others - makes no sense and it is also incorrect achievement wise, it should have shown all fully 100% complete
Deeded buildings (those that can be placed in the star menu) are not supposed to use building licenses. The last time I can recall that being an issue is with the quartermaster general bug, which was corrected once noticed. The buildings do take up placement space on the island, which for some may be an issue. It may help to be able to place decoration items, like the trophies, on the decoration blocking map; then there can be space for them that does not interfere with active buildings and would encourage people to put on their islands.Quote:
Originally Posted by bossny29
The achievement themselves have been reasonable generally to obtain. The more difficult ones always seem to be the collectibles, which requires getting about two-thirds of the all the event spawns. Others tend to be laughably easy, such as trading an amount of resources, where any player with a few minutes can get the maximum level. In order to make a reasonable judgment, one would really need to compare the completion of achievements against a baseline participation, such as daily logins during the event, or comparing individual item completion against total completion, as is done on standardized testing.
One of the things most missing from the achievements is one of the fundamental ideas of achievement. While I believe it is a coding issue with closing achievements that were not completed, removing the undone achievements from the list and giving everyone 100% removes any potential sense of achieving a goal. As it is the known end result, the goal of the achievements becomes simply gaining whatever reward is given for each stage - making it just another set of quests.
Event achievements I do for the prize, its an interesting portion of the event. Regular achievements are a mixed bag. Some of them point me to explore content I might not have otherwise used, which is good. Others served as good milestones along my advancement. Others are just there as a taunting measure, like the high number scenario. I can't see myself completing those, but their presence doesn't bother me.
Totally agree with offering shotfirer or demo crew! Excellent idea! Was very disappointed to discover there was a limit when I wanted to clear more land.
I don't really take notice of the achievements but when I complete an achievement I enjoy the notion that i am doing what should be done naturally without being prompted.
I'm okay with not completing every achievement because the achievements are a true representation of the time I've dedicated to the game. Making achievements easier would be a discredit to the players who do try harder than others.
Overall, the creation of achievements has been a success and is worth the time the developers have spent in developing the achievements.
That's what I was ripping into my post, unless you know/remember if you failed an achievement, you are defaulted to have 100% in event achievements, always. Check your achievement right now and notice you have 100% completion rate, regardless having failed to get any of them...and you'd only know if you compared to somebody who DID complete it and I, to date, don't know of a single person who compares their points to anybody to begin with.Quote:
I did not see an option that I would agree with 100% but I think achievements should not be locked into an event, if you miss them you can never get them and the only purpose they serve is to make you feel pain and regret that you could not find 1000 collectibles....
The way achievements are counted and the trophy system just don't create any competition. The "Everyone's a winner" mentality goes against the very concept of "achievement". Ranking and perpetual count would certainly help. We would have players who have run a specific amount adventures or other who have produced billion of resources, etc. Games that are the most successful are competitive by nature (in case BB wants to make money). By the way, 3 years later, "PvP" expeditions is still a taboo subject...
I totally agree that it would be worth doing them achievements if earning the Shotfirer or Demo Crew.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sherman_Grant
Achievements need better rewards, then maybe people would care about them.
In an event I care about the achievements and probably nothing else. The stuff we can buy in the store is fine I guess, but the achievements make it worth my time.
In the Easter event there was a bug denying some players the achievements (not getting the 10 or 15 camps achievement). I was told by support it will not be fixed by the end of the event so I abandoned the game for 2 months. I was aiming for 100% achievements, and I simply could not see any meaning to playing without the achievements system.
During Events they are a handy checklist.
During normal gameplay I pretty much ignore them. Am I going to drop 20k Coin to get the last Tavern General? Heck no. That's never been a good value and never will be.
Am I going to devote a huge pile of time and resources to finishing Adventures with terrible returns on Troops/Time invested to gain an Achievement? Heck no.
The Achievements system is okay as a checklist, but it fails to offer any value beyond that. Perhaps if it were filled with Resources that were otherwise unobtainable, then it might get a closer look.
As well, if it were possible to 'go back' and 'top up' previous Event goals with surplus Event Resources (ie use surplus Eggs from the 2018 Easter Event to upgrade the Spacious Storehouse from 2016), *THEN* we would have a conversation worth having.
Achievements should be doable with some effort - for example, "make one of each [event] buff" is not an achievement, seriously, that's a participation ribbon. Make 25 of each event buff is an achievement, as it takes some effort to acquire a decent count of collectibles and make sure you're making 25 of each, and making sure you use them all is also relevant, as you don't need 25 of each to complete all the advents.
Achievements should be long term in nature - completing x adventure losing less than 100 cavalry is not an achievement, because under normal circumstances very few adventures need a cav loss. Completing an adventure 25 times (from the player 1 slot, not the loot spots) is an achievement.
Achievements that are event-related should be cumulative, for example "collect 1000 soccer collectibles" was not obtainable for me this year, as I was on vacation for 11 days during the event, but if it was cumulative and not event-specific to 2018 then in 2020 when soccer returns for the Euro cup.... I could finish it as a long-term challenge. You could also then put some unobtainable event achievements out there, like collect 5000 event collectibles, that would require multiple events to do.
Achievements should not directly match a quest chain - giving me an achievement for completing a quest chain is stupid. Find a different achievement.
Achievements could award some seriously good but not game-breaking stuff. Lifetime achievements should yield above-normal stuff, some thoughts, note all of these are one-time use items, and except for the demo crew doesn't have a long-term benefit.
- I like the demo crew idea from above.
- Mini obsidian ore pit - see below for the mechanics
- 7-day 5x self buff, basically a license to maximize one resource building for a week.
- Weak Point Potion (for those of you unaware, it's an Assassin but more than one can be used on the same camp - a great one-time use item!)
- Ranged Support (same as Rain of Arrows, but more than one can be used on the same camp - again a great one-time boost).
Achievements should also be scale-able. If complete Roaring Bull 25 times (again, from the player 1 slot only) was an achievement worth let's say a rainbow buff... then completing it could unlock a "complete RB 50 times" achievement worth maybe one of my made-up 7 day buffs... and that unlocks a complete RB 100 times for a 100 obsidian ore "mini pit refill"
Obsidian ore pit - basically works like a gem pit, painfully slow to build (like 24 hours build time), comes with 500 ore, releases one ore per hour, so not game-breaking... some achievement could release the pit building and other achievements could offer 100-ore refills. Can be returned to star, but with that painful build time...
TLDR - achievements need to be long-term in nature, scaleable, and offer rewards worth the effort.
I am fine with some fluff being sprinkled in with the more difficult achievements. People would be upset if every achievement was one you could just barely accomplish. There are some I got with a day or two to spare, which I know many people were not able to complete.
Absolutely - i actually attempted this this easter and was informed Nope cant do it. :/ i really wanted to level up my previous easter basket :(Quote:
Originally Posted by AstrumLuxLucis
ciara
@KingHomer -- excellent points. Agreed. I felt when BB 'leveled' the playing field by not letting us save event loot (and making us cash it in end of each event) it meant those of us who worked hard to get to a higher level were no longer had an advantage. the "everyone is a winner" attitude. Sorry, but i've been playing for 5 years - its logical that someone who has dedicated that amount of time be rewarded with higher rewards. (and sure, make many rewards attainable to all levels, but how bout some love for us long term players). Stacking achievements over years gives that :)
(coincidentally - the year i finally had saved enough extra eggs, presents, etc.... for those upcoming events to make a difference - was the year that BB said "let's nerf everyone's stuff at 1/8th the value" )
ciara
Don't care much for the achievements, usually they are buggy and many times you can't even finish them. So you see for years what was impossible to do.
Thank you all for all of the great feedback so far! I look forward to seeing more of it.
-BB_Odhran