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Dear Settlers,
The Dev Notes for the Improvements for Weekly Challenges was just published and we can't wait to hear your initial impressions and overall feedback.
-Please be aware that these changes can now be tested over at the Test server. Please let us know any additional feedback you might have after testing.
Thank you,
BB_Odhran
I like this - and I'm someone who's been known to do SR for tokens because I wanted to clear out the weekly. And anything using map frags is good!
Now can we make it so I can rip up some of these adventures into fragments?
I'm very sorry, BB_Alex, I'll trust you when you will trust the players. You are vaguely offering some improvements, nothing concrete.
More adventures for map fragments? From the way you consider players wishes you may add some useless adv like Wild Mary or Sleeping Volcano...
Increasing the amount of tokens? riiiight... probably with 10-ish tokens and we should be very grateful with that amount... Instead of needing 3-4 years to fully upgrade my island I will need 2-3 years... yuppyyyy
I am sarcastic, I have no idea about which adventures they will add or the amount of tokens. But over the years I learned to never expect something good when a change is announced like this.
like the idea, but there is really no information about the changes. quit doing weekly because of the rewards and cost involved.
Wouldn't it be easier to use the same system as "The Pathfinder" quests? Let us pick and choose which quests we would like to complete. Not everyone can do CO-OP quests. (Due to REAL life)
You did an amazing job creating The Pathfinder. I assume it would be easy to copy your programming into a new Boat or Building. It sounds like you are going in that direction anyway with the updates. Why reinvent the wheel?
Thank you for acknowledging our concerns. I shall remain cautiously optimistic.
sounds good,
always a major problem, loot not being worth the effort and resource loss to do the adventure, or quest.
a lot of people just don't have the time to play a lot, with having families and working, they need a some thing that will pay out great reward for a quick action or one in section they can take time to do. like your weekly challenge. if you make it easier to get the adv, demanded that is great, or even lessen how many they have to do,
storm recovery is a hard adventure to do, and needing to do 3 is very hard.
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Originally Posted by Perwyn
Same here. I appreciate that player concerns have been heard and look forward to seeing the changes.
Agree here LG.Quote:
Originally Posted by LordGumble
Oh man am I ready to see the changes, this ought to be fun.
On a more positive note, getting a reward for sub quests is a fairly decent start though.
Optimistic but holding severe reservations until 'proof' is seen. As stated above, there are no numbers discussed. Hopefully this will not be a half-way measure.
New token distribution works for me.
Population tokens are a great idea. I'm glad you're going to make them available in sub-quests.
Please make the sub-quests progressive so that 3 Storm Recovery comes at the end, not the beginning.
This gives more people a chance to get tokens and makes the game more fun.
Thank you for listening to our feedback.
Being able to choose from more than adventure would be nice. Considering the quest asks you to choose from the following list, it feels like there should have been more than 1 adventure from the beginning.
Looks like it is moving in the right direction. Thanks.
But like most BB presents the package is usually ticking when it arrives... :present:
So excuse me if I reserve judgement until we actually see something... :rolleyes:
(I would have rated this thread however 'vague' and/or 'ambiguous' were not one of the choices.) :p
I do most of the ship quests for the little bit of experience, but I don't do the main part of the quest. I don't expect much from the ships due to the comparative ease, but a couple of tokens would be nice.
I think I'll speak for the group of people who actually do the Weeklies (minus Epidemic) and say this is going to make a decent thing a lot better.
Offering tokens in sub-quests is good add. I stopped doing all but the ship quests and some adv quests because the elite resources are too much for the reward.
Sorry, but even with improved access to tokens, this wouldn't be enough for me to start doing weeklies. I'm not obsessed with a big pop max like some players seem to be. As you progress through the stages of the game, you get access to different pop buildings and replace the old ones with new - and any tokens invested go away with the rest of the resources you used to upgrade the buildings. The major problem (imo) for weeklies is the XP is just not worth the effort, I can make as much or more, just by doing a couple of adventures and they don't cost anywhere near the amount of resources and time that the weeklies require.
So not excited by these changes at all - keep your weeklies BB :-) As I have said in another thread, you really need to run these ideas by a small group of real players before you hatch them on the test server for viability. Save yourself and us a lot of wasted time.
yup you said that perfectly. as one who ONLY does the ship quests - having some tokens from that would be nice :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Perwyn
I'm very excited about this news! It's great that you acknowledged feedback and made adjustments - THANK YOU! Looking forward to start doing Weeklys again.
I would think, work on problems and glitches before adding new content. just my opinion
When this was first introduced I did 1 just to see what it was like and instantly deemed it not worth it.
Without more information you cant realy ask for reliable feedback as there is really nothing to give feedback on apart from something might happen but I am not telling you specifics.
With more specific information we could give more valuable feedback.
I tried a couple of the weekly quests when they first came out, but the rewards (17 tokens - compared to resources expended). There's better ways to get experience so their only benefit is tokens. Recently, I did one because I needed to get rid of some scenarios. I'm glad you're considering making adjustments in increased tokens and choices for quests. I'll have to wait and see. Right now I just ignore weekly quests.
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Originally Posted by AThunderBolt
I think it was more of a political post, sort of like promise nothing, and you wont have to worry if that is what is delivered :pQuote:
Originally Posted by LordGumble
Weeklys are way out of balance and BB is clearly going to continue ignoring that fact! :confused:
Well BB_Alex, if you ask us for a straight answer, then we shall say that, as far as we can see, looking at it by and large, taking one thing with another in terms of the average of opinions, then in the final analysis it is probably true to say, that at the end of the day, in general terms, you would probably find that, not to put too fine a point on it, there probably wasn't very much in it one way or the other as far as one can see, at this stage.Quote:
Originally Posted by BB_Alex
It's a nice start, but the main concern (at least for me) wasn't addressed. I no longer even start "Kingdom Defense" quest line because of the Whirlwind co-op demand. My gaming time is restricted by real life too much to twiddle it away trying to get 4 available players late at night for a Whirlwind. I also don't start the other quest lines if I don't already have the needed 1st or 2nd Thief advs on hand. While making those available for frags is helpful, MORE helpful would be allowing us to chose from 2 or 3 advs, and not necessarily do 3 of the same. And there should always be an alternative to a co-op.Quote:
Originally Posted by BB_Odhran
totally love SirPool's answer and agree with CoffeeCat as well. Hate the Whirlwind adventure, hate it even more in the weekly. We'll see what finally shakes out.
Why run the weeklies?
Sir Humphrey Appleby clearly explains it here ...
Spoiler
I am pretty sure that is what Alex and Odhran are talking about.:cool:
Weeklies do need to be improved. As of right now, they are not even worth looking at. I do 1 ship quest out of 4 but otherwise ignore everything else. I guess getting tokens for doing that is better than things are now. Adding Wood Cutter for map fragments did not help. Not even a little. It's hard to provide feedback to the concept of adding more adventures to the merchant without knowledge of what the plans are, but if it's more along those lines, I still don't see how it helps. I don't care if Whirlwind, Storm Recovery, and Beseiged City are added for a fish. I'm still not doing them. I have 684 Storm Recoveries and 677 Whirlwinds in my star for a reason. That's where they're staying. Wisdom, maybe, but I'm not burning that many resources to get to that point anyway.
Perhaps these proposed changes are geared toward people who consider weeklies to be worthwhile in the first place. I do not fall into that category because the resource cost does not come close to justifying the rewards, but that complaint is not deemed worth consideration. Even if you double the tokens, still not worth it to me. I don't particularly need the population. Maybe worth it for those who do or at lower levels where people aren't being punished for leveling too much. The people asked to spend the most need the rewards the least.
It is definitely a step in the right direction, but I can not say how I feel about it, because there isn't enough details. Like how many frags each adventure will cost, how many tokens each individual quest will give us etc. But it's definitely refreshing to read that BB is actually taking peoples feedback to heart for once. looking forward seeing more details about the changes and hopefully changes soon in the game.
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Sounds good. I would personally like to see a bit more choice on the list for each weekly challenge. For example, there's one I never complete because it requires me to do 2x Storm Recovery, and that costs grout which I need for building upgrades, so I never do that.
If each weekly challenge had a choice of 2 adventures, say, it would be more flexible. For example, it could require let's say Storm Recovery or Roaring bull. Similar options for the other ones. Maybe Victor the Vicious could get a look in, which I don't ordinarily run except for events. But give each weekly a choice of adventures to complete.
The availability is another thing: 2 of them require first and second thief, which aren't easily got. I know you can now get woodcutter for map pieces, and that's great, but when you have 2 days left to complete the thing you don't want to be running a bunch of woodcutters to try and get 3 first thiefs. Pretty much all the higher level players have huge stocks of things like DB, RB, VTV, VLT and so on, which just sit around except if they get triple loot in event time. putting them in the weeklies as an option would let us use some :D
To BB_Alex:
I'd like a disable button for those weeklies.
I get it, you can't add a cancel button because you think people will cancel the one they don't want to do and run the next one if it looks more appealing... Well... you should thought of that BEFORE rushing to implement them and use the pathfinder system which is not intrusive and do not force me to click a blinking red 'Quest Failed' every week. Hello? I can't FAIL something I have chosen NOT to do.
And another thing.. You are keep saying 'the weekly challenges are not for everyone' . I am a lvl 75 player (been at lvl 75 for more then 1 year already). I have a full developed island with a balanced economy. I am very fast on running adventures and good to find any loophole to make things easier. So, I can think at myself as being one of the players on top of the 'food chain'. And those weekly challenges are NOT appealing at all, the reward is so ridiculous that i refuse to run them.
May I ask, if they are not for me, then for whom?
And another thing...You said you will add more adventures for map fragments, which is a very good thing to do... BUT... if you add the adventures required for the weekly challenges then where it is the challenge? just to run the adventure itself? When that was discussed on test forum you were against the idea of even change the said adventures (I am speaking about thieves, ToW and besieged city, you said getting the adventure is a challenge by itself).
And maybe you forgot, so, maybe you need a reminder, but all tailor adventures are on merchant, epic tab, available for star coins. It would be ridiculous to add some babas adventures for map fragments... just sayin'... :)
While I appreciate that you've improved the reward system to allow for sub-quests to obtain some small tokens.
I still do not agree with the requirements / setup of the weekly challenge in terms of level bracket difficulty breakdowns.
As a player who was just level 55 and switched to level 56. The weekly challenges went from doable to just completely unavailable (to nearly impossible) to complete.
Specifically the requirement of Woodcutter Adventures. (Sure you made the Young Wood Cutter in the adventures shop for fragments) HOWEVER, None of the weekly challenges actually uses that actual map. They require a "drop" map from finishing the woodcutter. First Thief, Second Thief, etc.
On top of a drop chance of trying to obtain the map you need. You need 2 of them. Are you F***** kidding me?? Do you realize that it's nearly impossible in a week to just produce enough troops or have enough resources to even complete the woodcutter itself and then to randomly get/hope to get the actual map you need for the weekly challenge times a factor of 2-3 (depending on the challenge). And then having to actually do those challenges as well.
Sorry, but that's just a huge difficulty curb. It's outrageous. I should have just turtled doing the weekly challenges as a low level and gain XP only from weekly challenges rather than waste my time doing black knights and other adventures (Nord) trying to gain XP to reach 56. Should have stayed at 54 and 55 for as long as I can.
My feedback is maybe you need to breakdown the difficulty bracket further. and scale back the requirements progressively. reduce the requested adventures down to 1- rather than 2 and 3. I definitely do not have enough resources to even amass that many elite troops.
Needless to say, Weekly Challenges came to a complete halt for me. I was happy a few weeks ago when I saw Scenarios being offered in the adventure shops, so I could do Heart of Woods and Riches of the Mountain. And suddenly, bam. I can't do any more weekly challenges. I'm pretty pissed actually about level bracket change.
And then there's the Co-OP weekly challenge quest. That's a big NOPE. major fail there. Co-Op requirements need to be completely removed from weekly challenge period.
Other improvements would be to offer more variety of choices. And stop asking us to do maps that are drop chance. This is RANDOM drop maps like woodcutter thief 1 thief 2 thief 3. You guys said weekly challenges wasn't going to depend on 'chance'. Map Drops = Chance. You understand right? Sorry you failed your own mission statement for challenges.
I enjoy the "Weekly Challenges" & thank you for them, however they are resource grabbers and having to do 2-3 of the same adventure is difficult. Many in my guild don't bother with them, felling they are not worth the resources & effort for the meager rewards. I like rewarding the sub-quests as long as it is a REAL awarding reward. Also, please consider the value of resources and time involved in completing them when increasing the final reward and increase it with a % ratio!
When asked I submitted a detailed response of how the game would prevent me from doing any of the weekly challenges once I transitioned to the next level bracket until I had advanced my level to at least half way through the new level range in order to have a chance to gather and produce everything required.
In the minimal "adjustments" mentioned, I see nothing that would even begin to address those faults of the system.
I find the costs to be too high, not just for the rewards but for my expense, time and trouble.
Seriously, two Arabian adventures for the first leg is a bit much. I don't bother with them for any reward.
I am probably one of the players doing the weeklies if I have the adv available. However, a list or variety would still help. I have most problems with running 3 WWs, just because it seems whenever they come up, nobody else has the same quest and going to Trade it can literally take hours to get 4 players together. Improvement would maybe also be to sync the weeklies in guild, this way people running adv with ls or coops have an easier time finding guild mates to run it with. It worked really well for the Valentine's Day event in our guild.