Like the idea for the build but very disappointed that it has been downgraded from tomes to manuscripts. If a que was added to the bookbinder or at least quantities selectable that would be a way bigger help. Thank and happy settling all
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Like the idea for the build but very disappointed that it has been downgraded from tomes to manuscripts. If a que was added to the bookbinder or at least quantities selectable that would be a way bigger help. Thank and happy settling all
From what I understand, the downgrade happened because ONE player on the test server worked out a theoretical maximum (and the calculation was debated) of 80 tomes a week or something. The fact that almost nobody would actually achieve that doesn't seem to have cut any ice.
BB, if you read this stuff, please take note that the vast majority of players would be over the moon to be able to get more TOMES from thin air, and the vast majority will probably only actually make a few per week, and we NEED a lot of tomes, because just to fully use ONE new general (and there are new generals quite frequently) you're going to want probably a dozen tomes used directly and another 18 to make codices. Likely 30 tomes for ONE specialist.
So please pretty please with a cherry on, ignore that one player who seems to think the game should be hard work and put the tribute building back to making Tomes.
Holy exploit. That makes sense now then.
They didn't need to change what the building made, just what buffs could be applied. The guy was talking about stacking a premium friend buff with the best other buffs available.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gwalben
Please make this right BB. Just make the building unbuffable and give tomes.
I agree with what Jon said. If you're worried about players getting too many tomes out of the deal make it unbuffable and only give 1-3 tomes per round.
The last event alone required 187 books to fill out the people being sold, and I'm sure many players took the approach I did and opted to just not buy many as unbooked they just aren't worth it. Given how the higher level books require multiples of lower level ones I am guessing the total count is probably closer to 400+ books needed to finish booking them. If players received maybe two tomes a week that is still barely over 100 a year.
Many of the players arguing that a single manuscript is adequate have been playing for years. Is that a logical business model, basing your decisions around balancing gameplay to keep the 70+ crowd from getting too many items?
Yes, you could quiet nearly all of these arguments if players were allowed to queue up items in the bookbinder, but the last decade has made it fairly evident that that's never going to happen.
I have been playing this game for about 6 years and at the rate I am going I will never get anything but my generals booked and that will take another two years and the game will be dead anyway by that time. I would like this building to produce tomes and be able to be buff because one tome a week isn't going to cut it with me either - just don't allow buffs to stack on this building.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lunesse
This is disapointing, I was looking forward to this building before the change
It's deja vu all over again. Last time a tiny, but loud minority messed up a feature for everyone else in the game was when the Jog skill got nerfed. I'll still use the Bookbinder Tribute, just like I use Jog.
But I don't have to like the way some decisions seem to be made by the devs. Caving in to the loudest person citing the least common/likely downside to something isn't a recipe for customer satisfaction. Two strikes for BB on my scorecard.
I'm arguing that 4 (or more) manuscripts is adequate. The improvements take time and should, but people seem to be wanting a building that takes up no space and has no input cost and requires minimal effort to obtain spit out a fully booked specialist every week. The tributes are supposed to be a trickle. I think the 1000 warehouse space is lame from the warehouse tribute, but I still placed it anyway because why not?
That said, unbuffable with tomes was my thought as well, and reasonable. That makes it slightly better but not overpowered. I'm not sure what people expect this building to do if a free tome or two is not enough, though.
I don't think I'll run the Alibaba adventure to get that tribute. I mean, it's a big loss of troops to get one manuscript per week... It's better to optimize the manuscript production with the RPH.
The crisis quest might be less demanding but still I don't think the effort worth it.
If it is feared that people would abuse of that tribute then: set a suitable production rate and make it not buffable.
Honestly by making quests and events too difficult, the game is losing people interest. For instance: I've discussed with other players about the weekly challenge: most of them have give up with it, most of the time it is simply too hard to complete it. Especially for a few more tokens...
Bingo! However, that would require some additional programming/work from BB so the easy out for them was to switch it from Tomes to Manuscripts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gwalben
Like you, I've been playing long enough that this tribute is more of a cute little geegaw rather than anything necessary to my further development.
However, it would be nice if the whole thought process that went on with this was behind BB's closed doors. That way nobody would ever have known that it started out making tomes but was dropped back because of vague fears of being exploited. If all we ever knew was that a new tribute building spit out a maunscript every week most peole would be "cool! free manuscripts". Instead, people are disappointed and irritated because something was "taken away", kinda like Lucy and the football.
Since it only does manuscripts (hope whomever cause that to be nerfed is enjoying his/her 15 minutes of fame), it hardly seems worth the effort. Just queue up the RPH and level up the regular PH for quest needs.
I missed the original whiney one's comments on test, but even if they were accurate in the friendship buff that is incrediably overpriced and not on the table of weekly options for the masses. Did BB miss out on the boat with those really impatient ones who would have spent all sorts of gems on that? Those that want to play the game through gem spending I am a bit surprised that idea was frowned upon, clearly a first in my experience here. For the rest of us on a budget that can't dump in money every week don't believe that the majority of players in this game would be able to generate more than 5 tomes a week. I have been playing this game for many years now and don't have anywhere close to having all my people skilled. I appreciate the new little building that is goin to assist in that but really manuscripts were not much of a help at all. I can't believe that I am posting about being disappointed in BB's lack of greed for coin, and that one noisey whiney player can nerf it up for the whole gang. In my house whiners were sent to bed early to rest so they didn't spoil everyone's fun.
I won't ever do the awful requirements to get it, so it doesn't bother me any.
I haven't bothered yet and I doubt I will. The process just takes too long now and the tribute as it is, isn't going to speed things up enough for me to really care. This games days are numbered anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by CoffeeCat
could of fixed this pretty easy. only allow buffs on the building. make Friends premium and love crazed not count for tributes. I had already done 3rd thief with only soldiers not knowing that the trubute was nerfed into uselessness. I dont see a point in doing any of the crisis event now either. Manuscripts are useless from the tribute Tomes would of been nice at ( with elixer) 5 per tribute per week
I have mentioned this information regarding this to our team. I have also put in the suggestions that were mentioned as well.
-BB_Odhran
It just dawned on me that if the Tribute went from tomes to manuscripts because that was the "easiest" way to stop potential exploitation AND if making it unbuffable, etc would be more programming than BB wants to do, one other simple solution would be to switch it back to tomes and extend the time it takes.
If it's set to a 14 day cycle instead of 7, then the potential for exploits have been cut literally in half. I can already make 60 tomes a month in the bookbinder with no buffs whatsoever. If somebody wants to go to all the trouble and expense to squeeze 40 a month out of 2 tributes using a timer/alarm clock and expensive buffs that most people won't have anyway, well more power to them. They're probably level 75 already and bored spitless. The rest of us could pick up a few extra tomes every month and be satisfied with it.
tomes are not exactly the end of the story either - and remember, it costs me 6 manus to make tomes in the RPH (plus beans) or 5 in the bookbinder even if I put fancy glue on it takes a day and a half to make the 3 for a codex, plus half a day for the codex itself. Now, I currently have a pplan to upgrade 4 MMAs with 1-up. As a minimum I need 4 codices, and if I decide to add 3 books on garrison, I need another 12.
I do have the tome recipe for the RPH, but even with a barazek every day, it takes 4 days to make 5 tomes (3 days making 10 manus each day, then 5 tomes on the 4th day).
So an unbuffed tribute making a few tomes a week (or even 1 tome a day, say) is not going to destroy the game as we know it.
That's beside the new geos and other generals which come with 'most every event and you want books for those. To usefully book up a general you likely want something like 6 manus, 9 tomes and 6 codices. For me to make those *with* the RPH recipe and the bookbinder needs 5 barazek-days on tomes (plus a couple in the bookbinder to make the 27 tomes needed, and those 5 barazek-days on tomes EACH need 3 barazek-days on manus, so that's 16 barazek-days on manus.
We're talking 3 weeks, really. That's not super-stacking rare and expensive buffs, that's a practical estimate for an average player and it STILL needs 21 barazeks, and still only works if you have the tome recipe, which many players don't yet.
so really, a few extra manus are not gonna cut it. A few tomes would help.
I was THRILLED to hear you guys were gonna give a tribute to give tomes.... annnd them you busted it. i have 40 explorers, probably that many gens, and 10 more geos to book.... trust me i cant get them all booked before flash dies at this rate... and i wont waste glue till bb listens to players and puts a bloody que in the bookbinder. (we've only been asking more than 5 years).
as for req to get it - have someone run an adv (works for the tributes - all) .. they can run it however they like... buy / trade / swap / bribe a ls - buff tag... voila - all requirements done - the ls gets the tribute. if you swap - he/she does same on yours - and also gets tribute. we've been doing dark priests (140r 80k mma x 2 from the center to bonechurch and dc - just r lost) and swapping em for residence tributes.
I've been buffing the bookbinder with glue or resin almost every day for probably 3 or 4 years, which has been sufficient to produce more tomes and codices than I need. Though I do agree that a queue, even just one book, would make that building a lot more useful and easier to use.
Check test. Theres a new book building that has a queue! Takes a new resource tho...you gotta run advs to get them. Not tradable. Building not buffable that i can see.
The interesting thing with the new building (4 days for a codex) is you can build a codex without any tomes at all ...
Bookbinder Tribute - Production time broken
Just got Bookbinder tribute. It is buffable, and when you open it says when book will be produced.
The problem is that production time is NOT changing. It's stuck at 6d 22h 32m.
I want to buff it before it produces, but I can't if I don't know when production is finished.
Please look into this bug or glitch.
you're right elgin
i built mine a few hours ago - no change in progress on window...
Here's a tip for those with the tribute and the gifting tree.
Pause tributes and restart them a few hours after the tree has a gift ready. From then on a gift appearing on the tree is a reminder that it's time to buff the tributes.