Pushing, shoving, tripping and falling

[Tapewormz]

Oh I see, it is a legal way to cheet other players. Everyone is so worried about starting off on even terms with the new players that will come, so we have the wipe, no wipe issue and we have the worries about one person having two accounts, but we will allow 20 players to gang up on one player in PVP by making one leader a super power and then they can filter down to all the lowerings the spoils of war that are stolen from the poor innocent single player that has no idea so many are ganging up against them. Strange how everyone seems to find legal was to steal and then feel good about it.

Bloodmoon why do you even play this game? All of your posts are the same. They're so whiney and self centered. I'm a patient man, I gave you the benefit of the doubt, but you just don't seem to grasp the point or strategy behind these kinds of games. If I'm wrong then please correct me, but when I explained the strategy behind pushing, you respond with "Oh I see, it is a legal way to cheet other players". There's nothing CHEAT about it. It's a strategy of supporting your strongest team mate or guild member so that they can focus on PVP and what not instead of micromanaging their economy.

Seriously, your posts are like nails on a chalkboard.

[Thunder]

Bloodmoon why do you even play this game? All of your posts are the same. They're so whiney and self centered. I'm a patient man, I gave you the benefit of the doubt, but you just don't seem to grasp the point or strategy behind these kinds of games. If I'm wrong then please correct me, but when I explained the strategy behind pushing, you respond with "Oh I see, it is a legal way to cheet other players". There's nothing CHEAT about it. It's a strategy of supporting your strongest team mate or guild member so that they can focus on PVP and what not instead of micromanaging their economy.

Seriously, your posts are like nails on a chalkboard.

That's a nice post (not really it was rather unnecessarily insulting), except that PVP doesn't exist yet so there's really no reason anyone should be getting "pushed," as the "pusher" receives exactly 0 benefit. Wouldn't it also be a viable strategy to make sure that every member of the guild is strong and in the event of PVP could contribute units? Yes, but those getting "pushed" wouldn't like you to think that =)

[Tapewormz]

Indeed it was thunder, but I make no apologies. I tried to explain the concept as civil as I could and she comes back with a comment about it being legal cheating. Going forward, I'm think it's best that I just avoid her threads. :P

I do think this thread should be locked now that the concept has been explained, the thread has served it's purpose with an irritating side effect.

[Thunder]

Indeed it was thunder, but I make no apologies. I tried to explain the concept as civil as I could and she comes back with a comment about it being legal cheating.

I'm not going to explain the strategy of pushing to you. If you refuse to understand the benefits then fine.

This thread should be locked. It's only going to go downhill.

I have read your previous explanation of the benefits and as of yet I see none when PVP isn't involved? Care to enlighten me?

I see that you give them resources...and then later you get them back?? Why didn't these smaller players just keep their resources in the first place?

This is as good a time and place for this discussion as any, I don't see any reason it should be locked.

[Bloodmoon]

Bloodmoon why do you even play this game? All of your posts are the same. They're so whiney and self centered. I'm a patient man, I gave you the benefit of the doubt, but you just don't seem to grasp the point or strategy behind these kinds of games. If I'm wrong then please correct me, but when I explained the strategy behind pushing, you respond with "Oh I see, it is a legal way to cheet other players". There's nothing CHEAT about it. It's a strategy of supporting your strongest team mate or guild member so that they can focus on PVP and what not instead of micromanaging their economy.

Seriously, your posts are like nails on a chalkboard.

I doubt anyone could correct you as you are always right and you are the master of all you survey and as most immature cyber bullies you will always believe everyone else is the problem. I am glad to see that you can read and mimic correctly that which you read. I might not be a pro at this game and I may ask a lot of questions that seem silly to a pro-asset like you, but I like this game and play it because I want to and not because you give me permission. You are of mean spirit and I do not like you and there are very few people I do not like. I gave an opinion about your playing style and perhaps I do not always say the things you want to hear, get used to that it's called life and you can either ignore my posts or add a decent comment to them, but stop being rude and a know it all prude. I reply to this type of post only once and will ignore any other disrespectful, mean or rude remarks you feel the need to make. You and your need to perfect should play well together. There is an ignor feature that may be new to you, but it works and if I bother and anger you so much I advise you to use it. Have a nice life, live long and be well.

[Tapewormz]

Yeah well, all I can say is I can't wait for PVP. Read as much into that as you'd like.

Damnit...she lured me into that... lol

[Bloodmoon]

Yeah well, all I can say is I can't wait for PVP. Read as much into that as you'd like.

Damnit...she lured me into that... lol

Oh no PVP, I am shaking all over with fear, oh wait it was just an earthquake. You must get lured very easy and just so you know, cyber bullies like you don't scare me, because there are always a lot more good and cool people around.

[Tapewormz]

@Thunder

Obviously my point was in reference to when there is PVP. Right not there's little reason to do this other than to help someone progress quickly to gain access to rarer materials sooner. Or to help establish a Guild House.

Consider yourself enlightened. I'm done with this tread.

[Demacia]

Oh no PVP, I am shaking all over with fear, oh wait it was just an earthquake. You must get lured very easy and just so you know, cyber bullies like you don't scare me, because there are always a lot more good and cool people around.

Oh my tapewormz.... u r such a bullies !!!!! lulz =]

[ShuttlePilot]

Why would anyone or everyone PUSH anything to one person in a guild to help that one person become the biggest and best player in the group? Why would anyone go through all the work building up and then using up their own valuable resources by pushing it all to the leader? I am new to these types of games and if there is a reason behind this madness of pushing I would just like to know.

Hi Bloodmoon,

I can only answer for myself, not for anyone else. Working together as a Guild, is in many ways working together as you would with any team. I'm a major biking fiend and if you watch cycling teams work together, each member plays to his/her strength. You have sprinters, climbers, powerhouses, long distance members, etc. and domestiques. The domestiques work for the overall good of the team and are just as important assets. Basically in any team effort you have people who have a more public face, and those who are content to work less in the limelight all for the good of the team.

I don't know anyone personally, myself included, who has given all or even a great deal of our hard earned resources to our own Guild Leader. (I don't know about other guilds). I can say, that our leader has graciously and courteously answered many of my (probably tedious) questions on battle strategy, production issues, etc., as have other guild mates. Certainly, I could just go to any other players at that same level for advice, but my membership within a Guild affords me the opportunity to build on the social aspect of the game in addition to the game play itself. I've enjoyed getting to know my guild mates better one on one, rather than just through mass chat or getting spammed with friend requests from people with whom I've not even had a conversation.

By helping one another in sharing expertise, buffs, resources, and comradeship, the overall gaming experience is enhanced (for those who enjoy playing with others. Some players enjoy being more the lone wolves, which is also fine). It's only when these things are done in nefarious ways that there is a problem.

When the upper level members of the guild go into bandit territories for example - they sacrifice a lot of units and materials in order to forge the way for the rest of us. Therefore, they wind up saving those of us at lower levels many resources and troops by sharing their own experiences and strategies with us. So helping a leader by trading goods for lost weapons and troops, etc. comes back in the long run in materials and troops saved from not just blindly heading into battles, or willy nilly placing buildings without knowing where resources are, etc.

As for when pvp arrives -- it would not speak well of any guild or group who would attack weak or single targets. Good players enjoy worthy opponents. Without meaning to be insulting, the sky is really not falling. As you've stated, you are new to these kinds of games, and perhaps have become alarmed and/or made erroneous assumptions about something that is not done by ethical players, and have misunderstood the difference between honest, cooperative play within guilds, and something that is borderline, or is indeed, a TOS violation.

Wishing you many happy hours of gaming, and if I can ever lend a hand, please call on me, I'm happy to help.

Pilot