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    UPDATE
    - added lost city skilled coa guide, L3, L5 and L6 were simmed with windows calculator, should be perfectly safe =)

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    Hi again EvilJ, thanks for new guides, mistakes and improvements I found:
    1. For WC it X14 and X15 confusing, the correct one is the small version, but the zoomed out need to swap, lost some of troops when I followed the zoomed order.
    2. For princess (full) no need to block C8, C8 can be cleared with 285 MM, also, in the X2 in notes you said send Major, while in the details it is Anselm, so I suggest to place Anselm behind major, send major with 285 MM to C8, and then Anselm to L3, so no need to re-garrison, and no need to block C8 at all.
    3. for princess (full) L5, in picture it is Major while you have to place Vargus.
    4. For princess (full), Nusala with 108 Cav got really fast into C27 red zone and intercepted I think just 1 flag waiting might be helpful.
    Edit:
    5. For princess (full): L14 I lost 195 AM after 160K wave (you say 154 but I added 6 more just I like fixed numbers :P), the attack is not correct at all! good I got assassins handy so I finished the 2 leaders left before it become worst.
    6. For princess (full): You don't need to fight camps from 49-52, just kill L21 with arrows and it will clear out all those camps, saving 161MS + 23K and the walking time to kill those camps, guess what, you can garrison there too.
    7. For princess (full), after you kill L21 you can garrison there and kill backward way, I'll edit this answer with the order of attacks and troops saved.
    Edit:
    Again for point 7 and point 6, with arrows killed L21, garrison in place of L21 and attacking backward, I skipped camps:
    C39 = 58MS
    C40 = 37MS
    C44 = 38MS + 36K
    C45 = 19MS
    C49 = 34 MS
    C50 = 13 MS
    C51 = 35MS + 23K
    C52 = 23 MS
    L21 = 55MS
    So saved 312MS and 59K

    After kill L16, kill L21 with arrows, garrison on that area then:
    The attack order was: C48 -> C47 -> L20 -> C46 -> L19 -> C41 -> L17 -> C42 -> C43 -> L18

    I feel maybe a block around is possible like C42 but I'm not pro like you with blocking , finished full princess and here is my loots:


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    Quote Originally Posted by TheVictorious View Post
    [...] 2. For princess (full) [...] X2 in notes you said send Major, while in the details it is Anselm [...] L5, in picture it is Major while you have to place Vargus [...]
    This happens from time to time as previous/other versions can share identical starting positions, In Evil_J guides follow the notes and you'll be fine.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheVictorious View Post
    [...] 4. For princess (full), Nusala with 108 Cav got really fast into C27 red zone and intercepted I think just 1 flag waiting might be helpful [...]
    Interesting, that spot has been used for a while now in the Evil_J guides, and have yet to have it fail, though will watch.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheVictorious View Post
    [...] [COLOR="Red"]5. For princess (full): L14 I lost 195 AM after 160K wave (you say 154 but I added 6 more just I like fixed numbers :P), the attack is not correct at all! [...]
    Dollars to donuts your MMA is NOT skilled as required for this guide. Check out Evil's Skills Guide here. Using the required troops in the properly skilled generals, that attack works just fine. Using additional Knights is a waste as they cannot do enough damage to the Captains and the Captains will regenerate in time for the second wave.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheVictorious View Post
    [...] 6. For princess (full): You don't need to fight camps from 49-52, just kill L21 with arrows and it will clear out all those camps [...]
    Interesting. Might have to run one later to check this out...

    Quote Originally Posted by TheVictorious View Post
    [...] finished full princess and here is my loots: [...]
    Congrats on your accomplishment and on the building!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raubhautz View Post
    Dollars to donuts your MMA is NOT skilled as required for this guide. Check out Evil's Skills Guide here. Using the required troops in the properly skilled generals, that attack works just fine. Using additional Knights is a waste as they cannot do enough damage to the Captains and the Captains will regenerate in time for the second wave.
    You are right, I checked the sim, it should work, maybe I was mistaken and attacked with wrong MMA, I have only 1 MMA skilled, it seems attacked with another MMA.
    About extra 6 Knights, I know it is waste, I just wanted to decrease my Knights in stock, i have too much already

    Well, I can confirm point 5 is false, but about point 4, no idea what is happened, I checked my garrison and it is 100% as what showed in the guide, and already the spot too tight to make garrison in different space.
    If it is working well for you, it should be lag from TSO itself then, but this is what happened to me, i was watching all the time, but not got the chance to retreat it was too late already, the block hit (and before the animation start) when nusala was crossing first flag in red zone, intercept message started with attacking animation.

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    the last sector in princess changed in a recent maintenance, AFTER i made the guide =)
    as i said before, the garrison shown in the picture doesnt matter, i try to keep them matching but not always bother screenshoting again; also on C8 if you pay attention i use the same screenshot for 2 blocks, and 1 of the positions is used in both blocks with both major and anslem

    ive a princess in stock, might run it soon and re-edit the full guide

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil_J View Post
    the last sector in princess changed in a recent maintenance, AFTER i made the guide =)
    as i said before, the garrison shown in the picture doesnt matter, i try to keep them matching but not always bother screenshoting again; also on C8 if you pay attention i use the same screenshot for 2 blocks, and 1 of the positions is used in both blocks with both major and anslem

    ive a princess in stock, might run it soon and re-edit the full guide
    I was thinking about start from top of mountain and go backward all the way, is it possible with less losses and less walking?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheVictorious View Post
    I was thinking about start from top of mountain and go backward all the way, is it possible with less losses and less walking?
    Going to look at that now... right now.
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    I ran another full princess in backward this time, was trying to make short version too, and this is how i did depends on same guide here, so all attacks are the same except the underlined attacks, also in sector 2 and sector 1 there is a new block, could possible more blocks, but this is my first time I create block for Alies, familiar with only PvP blocks :P

    Note I saw that the backward way is really slow walking longer way until you get down of this mountain, then it is so fast.

    And please note my new attack is not perfect I used fast simulation and i was looking for avg not passing (0.5) unit.

    For short version, I forgot that it is enough to kill only 5 sailors leaders or 6? so I think you can skip some leaders if you want save some troops,
    Where ever I say skip it is only for short run not full run.

    Short run:
    First L21 kill with arrow - 0
    C48: 267MM (MG) - 0
    C47: 24MS + 111K + 30M (Ans) - 23MS + 31K
    L20: 84MS + 201MM (MG) - 83MS
    C46: 270MM (MG) - 0
    L19: 91MS + 74AM (Ans) - 90MS
    C41: 39MS + 90MM + 160B (MG) - 39MS + 59K
    L17: 54MS + 9K + 102B (Ans) - 54MS + 9K
    C42: 39MS + 90MM + 40B (Var) - 38MS
    C43: 270MM (MG) - 0
    L18: w1: 60K (MMA) , w2 18MS + 150AM + 117B (MG) - 18MS + 60K
    C40: 38MS + 70B (Ans) - 37MS
    C39: 58MS + 90AM + 47MM (Var) - 58MS (maybe possible block instead??).
    L16: 77MS + 60AM + 148MM (MG) -77MS
    L13: 51MS + 165AM + 69MM (MG) - 50MS (you may skip this and kill L12)
    C34: 38MS + 70B (Ans) - 37MS
    L12: 8M + 270AM (MG) - 8MS (you can skip it, but really it is only 8MS, kill it and skip another leader like L13 if you want save troops)
    C33: 200AM + 70MM (MG) - 0
    C31: 48MS + 147MM (Var) - 48MS
    C32: w1: 6C (MMA), w2: 50MS + 145AM (Var) - 49MS + 6C
    The CX camp here is the new camp below C25, the name of camp is D9 if you use FastSIM.
    C29-C28-CX: 27MS + 258MM (MG) - 27MS ( send as 1 wave to C28).
    C26: 30MS + 135MM (Ans) - 29MS
    C25: 42MS + 100MM + 53B (Var) - 41MS
    L10: w1: 108C, w2: 98MS + 30AM + 157MM (MG) - 108C + 97MS

    So for short run losses are:
    853MS + 159K + 114C
    or if you did not skip L13
    903MS + 159K + 114C

    For full run continue:
    L11: 64MS + 30AM + 71B (Ans) - 63MS
    C24: 270MM (MG) - 0 (also you can send to C22 if you use more exp skill, this will kill C22, C23 and C24 in 1 wave).
    L9: 52MS + 233MM (MS) - 52MS
    L8: w1: 1R (Nus), w2: 70MS + 29AM + 186MM (MG) - 70MS
    C30: 45MS + 40MM + 50B (Var) - 45MS
    C35: 18MS + 70AM + 197 (MG) - 17MS
    BLOCK part: C36 - C37 and kill L14 - L15 (same as your guide) - 154K
    L7: 100MS + 105K + 80B (MG) - 100MS + 66K
    C18: 13MS + 82K + 70B (Ans) - 12MS + 46K
    C17: 37MS 50AM + 198MM (MG) - 36MS (maybe possible to block here? is it worth to block tho?)
    L6: 58MS + 30AM + 197MM (MG) - 58MS
    C11: 95MS + 100MM (Var) - 90MS (kill instead of block in previous version)
    L4: 91MS + 194MM (MG) - 90MS

    NEW BLOCK C12 - C10 and kill L5 - C8 - L3
    Spoiler



    This is new block, sadly I failed to block C10 first time, was 6-6 rounds, but really close to success, so I found better attack using sim, this block last 8-8 rounds:
    C10: w1: 25C (MMA) - 25C
    Then when w1 almost hit the camp, send block:
    C12: BLOCK 174MS + 26AM - 0
    L5: 79MS + 90B (Var) - 78MS
    C10: BLOCK w2: 200MS - 0 (this general on this picture is dead )
    When general of w2 to C10 reach red X (perfect X here isn't? :P ) send:
    C8: 270MM (MG) - 0
    L3: 47MS + 10AM + 108B (Ans) - 47MS

    C6: 270AM (MG) - 0
    L2: 60MS + 30AM + 195MM (MG) - 59MS
    NEW BLOCK C5 and Kill L1
    This was easy tho
    Spoiler

    C5: BLOCK 125MS + 75AM - 0
    L1: 41MS + 124B (Ans) - 41MS


    And this should be done here:

    So for FULL run losses are:
    1761 MS + 425K + 139C

    Somehow losses was close to what I did and described before, so maybe attacking from start point until L16 then kill L21 then attack backward is the same as attacking backward all the way, lazy to calculate, but you maybe can see this, BUT for short run, longer time but much smaller losses, previous version was around 1134MS + 250K but if you start from top, only 850MS + 159K.

    Those losses not counting what return back from first aid, even it is look like you loss so much, in my case 105MS returned to me (lvl 2 first aid), in your skill guide you will get back 158MS (lvl 3 first aid), also, this is only if you always getting max loss, so, I lost in real game maybe around 1300MS for full run.

    This adventure for me is way better than Treasure of Knowledge, and a lot better now; the loots better, exp better, but for sure if you looking exp, this is not best one, doing a lot of woodcutters worth more, but for fun, and for loots, this is really awesome adventure, IMO.
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    Just a note from a player in my post here in EU forums:

    Quote Originally Posted by Kris3457 View Post
    Victorious, while we're talking about Princess, please tell Evil_J (assuming those are your posts at the end of his guides thread) that:

    L5: (270 Boatswain 1 Captain): 79MS + 90B (Var) - 78MS
    - Vargus 50 MS, 40 ArM, 105 MM (48MS) - saving 30 MS (Captain killed in normal phase)

    L4: (100 Sailor 100 Battle Hardened Sailor 2 Mutineer): 91MS + 194MM (MG) - 90MS
    - Major 72 MS, 67 MM, 146 Bes (1 round only, better to take the hits of smaller units than to let both Mutineers see round 2)
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    Is anyone else having trouble with the C26 1R block on the Princess short run? I've found it failing 3 times in a row, where the major attacking the leader gets intercepted right after he enters the L9 camp but before he starts fighting. It's happened every time, otherwise I'd assume I got the timing wrong

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