Any reparations?

[Zuma]

It's just a game argument is the same as it's just a job argument.

So you've put 15 years in with the company, so what? You were paid for every hour of work. And you CHOSE to spend your time there, you weren't forced to be there.

What you spend your time doing is valuable to you. What you invest effort in has a purpose. What you choose to busy yourself with to make everyday life more rewarding is important. If the above statements aren't true, why do you still exist?

The point being, you put effort or time into something with reasonable expectations of a certain outcome, based on promises from another party. If the other party fails to follow through on their promises, you should feel cheated. If you do not, you're time doing that activity was worthless anyway, and you shouldn't even have been there.

Don't discount the value of someone elses time invested into a game, or into anything, simply because your time and effort is worthless.

[Falconwolf]

So, you spent $100 USD to buy a gem mine... I can see why you'd be dissatisfied. The rest of this is NOT directed at CognitiveChaos. This game is... something to pass the time. Some of you "chat" with "friends" and pass more time. Some of you have done what people have done on the internet for almost 20 years and with pen and paper for 100+ years before that... you have made connections with people and things that seem more real than they are because you WANT them to be that way... period. End of story. Have some perspective. This really IS just an internet game... nobody is dying here. Nobody got shot, hurt, or had to have chemo-therapy to get here.... R.E.L.A.X.

I've already pointed out why the "just a game" meme doesn't work. You might want to go back and read it and learn something about human nature.

[Falconwolf]

It's just a game argument is the same as it's just a job argument.

So you've put 15 years in with the company, so what? You were paid for every hour of work. And you CHOSE to spend your time there, you weren't forced to be there.

What you spend your time doing is valuable to you. What you invest effort in has a purpose. What you choose to busy yourself with to make everyday life more rewarding is important. If the above statements aren't true, why do you still exist?

The point being, you put effort or time into something with reasonable expectations of a certain outcome, based on promises from another party. If the other party fails to follow through on their promises, you should feel cheated. If you do not, you're time doing that activity was worthless anyway, and you shouldn't even have been there.

Don't discount the value of someone elses time invested into a game, or into anything, simply because your time and effort is worthless.

Well said.

The thing is, that people who keep saying "it's just a game" somehow think that everyone has to think and feel the same way they do and care about the same things they do...and that's the problem I've been having here.

As far as BB/UBI goes with the server problems...this stuff happens. You play MMO's long enough and you come to expect this...especially if the game is still in beta. As I've said before what gets me is the way they are going to fix it with a roll back which will cause harm and frustration to EVERYONE for the sake of a few, and if that REALLY is the only way to fix things then fine, but if that's the case then I do expect some reparations for what I will lose through no fault of my own.

[JonMnemonic]

And I reject the notion that "it's just a game" doesn't work. Is Google "more than a search tool"? No. Is Android more than a smartphone? No.

Human nature? Take a class? Attend a meeting at a Stupa? Read Balzac. Whatever... Think of what I said. Did you get hurt? (Let's use "you" in the ambiguous second person and not really to mean "you, person who said I ignored you". Now, having lost something in the game, do you need therapy? Do you need medication? Did the "friends" you have in the game miss you? Do they need counseling? Did you lose money? Time? Your sense of dignity? ... Even if ANY of these are true, gambling is also "just a game" ... and people wreck their lives - but that's THEIR choice.

The admonition to , "Have some perspective," is apparently lost here. The time everyone has invested here must be more important than the time that, say, Olympic swimmers who lose their race invest training... they probably feel they deserve a medal, no?

No worries. I recommend therapy and medication (makes it seem more important) ... and getting a pen pal. <--- another place where (second person) you can make connections that SEEM more important than they really are. This is and always will be a game. Unless you work for Ubisoft... it will just be an IP address you frequent - like Google, gun and knife websites and free-porn links. Have some perspective. Oh... and relax.

And perspective alert... most states are right to work states, so according to the law, most jobs are... just jobs, and while gambling losses are tax deductible, the casino never gives you a refund for losing if you choose to stay at a table...

[Vetinari]

I haven't read all the replies, but I appreciate the tech staff working the issue. Also, good luck to those fielding all the complaints, I do appreciate you keeping us in the loop.

[Falconwolf]

And I reject the notion that "it's just a game" doesn't work. Is Google "more than a search tool"? No. Is Android more than a smartphone? No.

Human nature? Take a class? Attend a meeting at a Stupa? Read Balzac. Whatever... Think of what I said. Did you get hurt? Do you need therapy? Do you need medication? Did the "friends" you have in the game miss you? Do they need counseling? Did you lose money? Time? Your sense of dignity? ... Even if ANY of these are true, gambling is also "just a game" ... and people wreck their lives - but that's THEIR choice. The admonition to , "Have some perspective," is apparently lost on you. No worries. I recommend therapy and medication, and getting a pen pal. <--- another place where you can make connections that SEEM more important than they really are. This is and always will be a game. Unless you work for Ubisoft... it will just be an IP address you frequent - like Google, gun and knife websites and free-porn links. Have some perspective. Oh... and relax.

Oh and ... most states are right to work states, so according to the law, most jobs are... just jobs.

This entire post of yours is one that will likely be deleted by a BB/UBI mod for attacking someone else.

As for what you said...you obviously did not understand a word I said, or just ignored it, because you then repeated the same "it's just a game" meme using a lot more words.

P.S. I have a background in behavioral psychology and belief systems...just FYI

[Zuma]

Why are you even here, if it's worthless time? And if your time invested in anything is worthless, why do you waste good quality breathing air for people that matter? What hurt are you speaking of, physical, mental....and are we speaking of pain crossing a threshold of that individual or limits set by you? What is important if not what you spend your time doing and how you interact with the world...or is it only important if people communicate, participate and perceive things as you do?

Always some self-righteous, self-important, more enlightened cretin to assign value to other people's time and effort.

Go do something important if this is nothing to you. And quit wasting our air.

[Falconwolf]

Always some self-righteous, self-important, more enlightened cretin to assign value to other people's time and effort.

LOL...i've been wracking my caffeine deprived brain for some way of putting what I mean into writing and here you go and do it for me

[JonMnemonic]

That was no more an attack than was your post, but if that's the final judgement of the mods, I will accept it and so will you? Why do you ask, will we accept it if it happens?

Because it's just a game. Lol. Really.

When someone actually HAS perspective, it's funny how those who don't have it think their position is so deeply sound.

People have been pretending online "relationships" are more important than they really are since the internet was invented, and before that, women married their prison pen pals believing that words on a paper meant "he must have changed."

Things have NOT changed in human nature. Many are making this situation out to be more important than it is or will ever be (hence why I point out that it's not cancer or requires medication) ... but again... I did not ignore your argument. I rejected it and over-arched it with a deeper one.

That said, I will be upset if I lose several hundred gems or gc, but I won't call a therapist or a lawyer. <--- Perspective.

[Falconwolf]

That was no more an attack than was your post, but if that's the final judgement of the mods, I will accept it and so will you? Why do you ask, will we accept it if it happens?

Because it's just a game. Lol. Really.

When someone actually HAS perspective, it's funny how those who don't have it think their position is so deeply sound.

People have been pretending online "relationships" are more important than they really are since the internet was invented, and before that, women married their prison pen pals believing that words on a paper meant "he must have changed."

Things have NOT changed in human nature. Many are making this situation out to be more important than it is or will ever be (hence why I point out that it's not cancer or requires medication) ... but again... I did not ignore your argument. I rejected it and over-arched it with a deeper one.

That said, I will be upset if I lose several hundred gems or gc, but I won't call a therapist or a lawyer. <--- Perspective.

That's not perspective that's wearing blinders...your point of view and only your point of view is valid and everyone else MUST believe as you do.

Zuma put it best "Always some self-righteous, self-important, more enlightened cretin to assign value to other people's time and effort." ...and that's the point, the point you keep hand waving away without addressing, the point that you are trying to tell other people what they should and should not care about, what they should and should not think of as important.

By the way, you did attack me, you said I needed medication and therapy. That is a personal attack which the mods do not like. I however have not attacked you personally, I have only argued your lack of points and your lack of arguments