Gold Chain Buffing question

[LostSoul913]

yea, only reason i put 3X buffs on smelters is for when im using something like a cookie buff on a lvl5 coinage, which drains 580 gold bars every 12hrs. if i could play this while at work like some people, it wouldnt be a problem. but i cant use aunt irma's baskets on my gold line while at work, as im away longer than 9hrs. so i need a 12hr buff on a lvl5 smelter here and there to keep the coinage from depleting my gold bars. enter pasta buffs =) i love pasta buffs, wonderful addition to the game imo

yes, 3X buffs on coinages is best w a balanced gold line, when you're able to run it all balanced. timing restrictions completely screw up this idea. dam u real life, u win again =P

[Falconwolf]

500 ore in a mine, buff the mine you get 1k gold ore, 1k gold ore + 8k coal = 500 gold bars = 125gc
500 ore in a mine = 500 gold ore, buff the smelter, 500 gold ore + 4k coal = 500 gold bars = 125gc
500 ore in a mine = 500 gold ore, 500 gold ore + 4k coal = 250 gold bars, buff the coinage = 125gc

this point might've already been made in this thread, but heres the numbers on placing only 1 buff on a mine/smelter/coinage chain. buffing only the mine is a bad idea obviously because you then use twice as much coal for the end result. same idea would apply if using aunt irma's baskets, and exotic basket(s) on 1 part of the chain. in fact, i would never use a 3X or 4X buff on a gold mine, much more profitable to use on smelters and coinages

See bolded part, that's not true, at least not entirely. Buffing a mine or buffing a coinage you will end up with the exact same amount of gold coin in the end, neither one is more profitable than the other. Same thing goes for buffing the smelter instead of the mine or the coinage, you end up with the exact same amount of gold coin in the end, so none of the 3 is more profitable than the other.

THE ONLY DIFFERENCE is if you take coal use into account as in your first example where you buff the mine and have twice as much ore to process. You would still have the same amount of gold coin in the end.

So if you look at it that way, if you are worried about using an extra 4k coal (which amounts to about 40gc worth) then don't buff the mine (if you only have 1 buff) or don't use the 3x or 4x buff on the mine (if you have buffs for everything and want to use 1 extra special buff somewhere).

[Vernis]

Vernis, I think you are missing the point. In this case the OP's specific question about a single triple buff...that is only having 1 fruit basket and wanting to know where in the gold chain is the best building to place it on.

First of all, if anyone runs any part of their gold chain unbuffed they are not very smart. Your gold chain should ALWAYS be buffed, and if you can't buff it for some reason then sleep your gold chain till you can buff it. And I think on all servers it's cheaper if you can refill a gold mine before it depletes so you don't have to rebuild...of course it can be difficult at times to acquire gold deposits or golden parrots.

Agreed, that's why I thought the question was, "if I have ONE triple or higher buff, but the rest are just baskets (double), where to place the triple buff?"

I think the answer so far is to put best buff on the coinage (speed), unless you care about coal (profit).

[Hoolun]

Good stuff ...

[Falconwolf]

Agreed, that's why I thought the question was, "if I have ONE triple or higher buff, but the rest are just baskets (double), where to place the triple buff?"

I think the answer so far is to put best buff on the coinage (speed), unless you care about coal (profit).

Yes...actually it seems to be if you care about the extra coal being spent...then put the buff on the smelter or coinage, cuz if you put it on the mine then you will use twice the coal to process the ore. And if you care about speed and coal then put it on the coinage. But if you don't care about speed and the extra coal doesn't bother you then anyone of the 3 will do

[ZBest]

A question was recently asked of me:
Should I buff a lv5 Mine with Quality Shafts or a lv5 coinage with a stadium snack.

Lv5 Mine with Quality Shafts: 580 ore / 12h * 36 hr = 1740 ore / 36hr

The stadium snack would produce 6960 ore (3480 more than Irma baskets -- 3480 more bars -- and 1740 more coins)

Lv5 Coinage: 145 coins / 12h * 36 hr = 435 coins / 36hr

The stadium snack would produce 1740 coins (870 more coins than Irma baskets).

With Quality Shafts, the math is now flipped in favor of the mines (but the coal and basket costs are still higher).

[RonEmpire]

ok, let me clarify:

we start with 1000k gold ore.

1st scenario: no buffs

1000 ore mined --> 500 gold bars smelted --> 125 gold coins minted

2nd scenario: 2 x buffs on all (irma's basket)

2000 ore mined --> 2000 gold bars smelted --> 1000 gold coins minted

3rd scenario: 2x buff on mine and smelter, 3x buff on coinage

2000 ore mined --> 2000 gold bars smelted --> 1500 gold coins minted

4th scenario: 3x buff on mine, 2x buffs on smelter and coinage

3000 ore mined --> 3000 gold bars smelted --> 1500 gold coins minted


it APPEARS to me that output will be the same in scenarios 3 and 4, which is significant, since it's much easier to make lvl5 mines than it is to make lvl5 coinages...

just want to know where is my "math" wrong :>

Well, you're forgetting the fact that buffs have times on them. So if you have limited amount of buffs, it matters where you apply the buff.
If you buff the coinage you get a good output.
But you have to buff the smelter twice to get the same output. I'll post my calculations in the next posting.

[RonEmpire]

So here's the problem. If you had only 1 BUFF. And you had to place it somewhere Smelter or Coinage. Where would you place it.

Let's assume you have 1 BUFF (4x stadium snack for 24hrs). (Assume all buildings are level 5. And you have only a finite fixed amount of ore already mined).

So let's say you have 2400 ores only.

Let's do some comparison.
If you apply it to the Coinage it will consume exactly 1200 bars which is all the 2400 ores. (in 24hrs time).
Those 1200 bars will give you 1200 coins. (normally the ratio for coinage is 4:1) so buffing it with x4 = 4:4. (unbuffed bars ratio is 2 ores to 1 bar.)

If you apply it to the Smelter, in 24hrs the smelter will be able to make only 2400 bars buffed. consuming 1200 ores. gives you 600 coins (unbuffed)
That means the remaining 1200 ores need to be smelted unbuffed.
2400 bars from the buffing smelt time + 600 bars from the unbuffed time. = (600coinss + 150coins) = 750 coins total.

As you can see it's better to apply it to the coinage.

[RonEmpire]

If any resource from ore to coins buffed produces twice as many coins in the end, why would coinages be best?

Buff ore - twice as many coins
Buff smelter - twice as many coins
Buff coinage - twice as many coins, but takes twice as long as ore or smelter.

Which one is best Draconous2004?

Because you need twice as many buffs items to apply it to the smelter.
(Remember you have a limited number of buff items to use. if it was unlimited buffs, then it won't matter.)

[RonEmpire]

A question was recently asked of me:
Should I buff a lv5 Mine with Quality Shafts or a lv5 coinage with a stadium snack.

Lv5 Mine with Quality Shafts: 580 ore / 12h * 36 hr = 1740 ore / 36hr

The stadium snack would produce 6960 ore (3480 more than Irma baskets -- 3480 more bars -- and 1740 more coins)

Lv5 Coinage: 145 coins / 12h * 36 hr = 435 coins / 36hr

The stadium snack would produce 1740 coins (870 more coins than Irma baskets).
With Quality Shafts, the math is now flipped in favor of the mines (but the coal and basket costs are still higher).

Quality Shafts is twice as fast to mine. But applying a stadium buff to it won't give you more coins in the end. It will only give you 600 coins.
1 stadium buff in 24hrs.

It is always better to put it on the Coinage.
You only have 1 snack right?

Snacks are very limited. Use them wisely.



Stadium buff on a normal mine will only give you 300 coins (assuming the rest of the chain is unbuffed).