lol love the comments jason0627 esp. ^^Originally Posted by Jason0627
lol love the comments jason0627 esp. ^^
+2 *eats green crayon and stares at melorr aka littleone2001*I'm on both sides of this debate... I personally think the community needs people who aren't BanBots to help create a communal atmosphere and help redirect convos that are going south--BEFORE REPORTING THEM. However, all I've seen from the one CL I was aware of (Smitey) is an advantage in trading as he spams horrible trades all day that mostly target noobs. If said n00bs ever discover the price guide then they'll likely realize that their "Community Leader" took full advantage of them, which surely wouldn't sit well... So this leads me to my first of several suggestions (some repeats from others) that I think are critical to making this successful:
1) CLs should not be permitted to advertise in Trade Chat. Their font clearly makes them stand out and provides an absolute advantage. Until this rule is implemented then I give no credibility to any of these "Leaders" who misuse their power for their own advantage (sry Smitey, I like ya and all but you can overdo it a bit with the bright green advertising of bad trades)
2) CLs should be voted in by the server they are to serve. I think this point has already been driven home...
3) Bug reporting should not be part of CLs job as rule, but instead as an exception--only when a bug is truly having negative impact on the game that makes it unplayable. Impacts to trade pricing is not justifiable, and is a rather silly argument. I can go on and on about bugs, so perhaps one of our CLs will start a thread where we can take that debate, but for now this role will clearly impact CL credibility as leaders vs. hall monitors.
4) CLs should always remember that EVERYONE is part of the community, not just those who agree with them (**cough** Aquila **cough cough**) and maintain respect even when they feel people are attacking them... you're pretty much a politician now and attacks against new ideas should be expected, and absorbed with a smile on your face while you're kissing a baby.
5) A front page post should be made immediately announcing the program. Many of us aren't forum rats searching this stuff out and are only aware of what is put on the launch page.
"Maybe with a little time you'll come to trust me and we'll start over fresh." - Aquila
Or maybe with a little time you'll prove you can push for implementation of some of this feedback and EARN our trust... A newly assigned font color =/= earned trust.
Ok Aquila, you made it clear you wanted constructive feedback--BAMM!! now you've got it.
-SG
PS: One thought on bugs for those who are having the discussion here already... Perhaps it's the developer whose poor coding led to the bug who should be penalized, not the players. I have yet to see a list of known bugs so wouldn't have a clue if I was doing something that goes against the unknown intentions that your developers failed to meet. Such a list would also satisfy those with Aquila's viewpoint, that bugs are bad because they aren't equally known amongst everyone and lead to an advantage for some and not others. This would also help facilitate a community-level conversation around any bugs and perhaps help identify those that should be reclassified as "features". Oh, and gem reward for anyone who finds and reports a bug would also be cool to flip a negative into a positive...
LOL truehead you are such a Dramaqueen!
That said there is something to be worried when a "CL" thinks they should be "reporting" someone for what they "think" is a bug that was widely discussed on forums without any official feedback. Its not just the reporting that is the issue, it's the illustrated character flaw where you would think reporting someone for that is a good use of your 'new' authority.
Now in a broader sense I would suggest that whoever is running 'this' show make sure the Greens are not used to report bug abuse ever and in fact should only report instances of harassment/extreme chat abuse so that they are always viewed as for the people etc. You guys shouldn't want this program to evoke comparison with a police state where neighbours turn their neighbours in for a trinket or two (font colour change)
You can redeem yourself Aquilla by making sure the first new 'feature' we get is an increase to the recruitment size of units trainable in the rax.
LOL @ truehead some more it's like the sky is falling!
well your welcome for pointing out some of the issues that no one wanted to mention before i started posting on here- but i am glad i can make people feel comfortable from reading my posts and actually express how they feel rather follow the conveyor belt of the machine or keep eating what they are feeding us. and who knows? maybe from all of this, the sky might just be there tomorrow
I'm going to make a second attempt at explaining where I stand on the subject of bug reporting and hopefully this time, I will have explained it in a way that everyone can feel good about.
In my very first post I had suggested various ideas of what we could do for the community because that was the biggest question you all had. In this list I had suggested that if a person knew of a bug being abused that they could talk to us about it. I didn't say that you "need" to tell us and I didn't say that we will be looking for bug users and reporting them, but that is how it was portrayed afterwards in the following posts.
So I've gone back to the original starting post, crossed out that sentence so everyone could still see it and know I'm not trying to cover up what I said in the past and I added something that might explain a little better where I stand on that subject.
" - You'd like to know if you are using a bug or if this is something that is allowed in game. "
I've also added this to another of my previous post to clarify a few things
"Edit: Just to be a little more clear on this and after the reaction you'll see in later posts, when I say bug I'm talking about something that would damage gameplay for yourself or for others. Like a single use item being able to be used twice or more, for example. Too much emphasis was placed on CLs reporting bug abuse and it shouldn't have since we can't truly know if a person is using a bug unless we can see their account information and we don't have access to that.
What I'm most concerned about are bugs that stop your gameplay, that steal your resources, that stop production, etc.
There is also the matter of player tactics which could be viewed as abusing a bug if looking at the definition of a software bug. This is a matter I am presently looking into and will hopefully be posting on very soon."
I'm more concerned about defining what people are using in game to get certain advantages, features, enjoyment, etc. Is it something that could be turned into a player tactic or is it something that is abusive and/or taking advantage of other players?
No one ever has to worry about me taking anyone's word that so and so is using a bug and I won't be going around picking off people by reporting them. Not too sure why anyone would even think I'd want to be doing that to be honest but that's just not me. Besides, if you're not doing anything wrong then you have absolutely nothing to worry about. Especially if you're doing something wrong and you don't even know you are.
I really hope this was a good enough explanation for all of you. If not, I'm not too sure what else I could say.
Now how about we start talking about anything you think could be positive coming from community leaders. Maybe if you think about it as what would you do if you were CL? Certainly you would do something you like. So lets get that ball rolling downhill now instead of uphill; lets have some fun with it
Aquila-Plume on Ares
Sounds good... now start by reading my post and responding to the aspects that aren't bug related, or are you still stuck on that topic? :P
I offered several things I'd love to see from our new CLs. To summarize for you:
1) lead by example, not by exception
2) help guide the community toward the righteous path when things in chat are getting ugly
3) start the tough conversations that BB hasn't been willing to have with us (and yes, bugs do happen to be one of those)
4) make sure the community is getting ALL of the same info you CLs are (such as reminding BBs to post this on front page)
I don't want to overwhelm you so we'll start with these points and see if they're too much to ask for.
Not sure if you had checked your email earlier today SplatterGod. I know I said I didn't want to keep talking about the bug topic again but I wanted to make it clear one last time. I've said as much as I could on that subject now so if that's still not understood, there won't be much else I can say.
I had sent you that email to make sure you knew I had read and appreciated your post.
I've been looking into everything that was on that list you previously posted before you actually posted it. I just need a few more details so I don't give you guys any bad info. So no, not to much to ask for at all.
Aquila-Plume on Ares
Maybe CLs can come together and host certain events in g-1, kinda like BBs with trivia but CL version (get the community's trust and get them to know/like you all more).
CLs seem to be avoiding g-1 on zeus today, not sure why but maybe start talking to the community more on g-1 since not all players are on the forums.
I am sure (or hoping) that the CLs/BBs are tihnking of more ideas of how to get the CLs more active in the community since not everyone knows all of you, but to give us updates on any future events or changes that will be made to the CL program that are not discussed in these posts (including answers to splattergod's concerns when you find them).
Awesome
I've got to admit that ever since I boldly jumped in with you guys on this thread I've been timid about talking on Zeus chats and have been sticking around Ares a lot lately. Even if I was to be on Ares mainly, it wouldn't change the availability of different features from the CLs. I think the program will need a bit more organizing before they can tackle a great event. First step is that list I'd like to find out from splattergod's post.
But events also happen directly from BB and with our flashy neon green text, it would definitely get people's attention in global chat.
Something else that was mentioned to me on Ares tonight and I know Zeus has them too. That green text could also be put to good use for auction callers. This may involve the need for a few more CLs, because while you do that you're pretty much stuck there until it's done and can't switch globals or handle too many other whispers. So this is something I wouldn't mind seeing in the future when we're a few more CLs.
Aquila-Plume on Ares
Unless BBs start endorsing auctions as a type of accepted trade method i doubt you will get their approval on hosting auctions. (maybe and hopefully that will change)
Events happen directly from BB- are you talking about BB's events they host or are you talking about BBs giving the CLs events to hold?
Not really a big issue or anything but i just find it confusing- BB stated in their first post that you are NOT UBI/BB employee but yet you have to wait to get their approval 'to host events', i am a little confuse about your second paragraph-
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