More Secluded Experiments... drop buffs?

[Artillerist]

So you knew they were looking into changing it and saved them so you could try and do them when they were of the most benefit this makes sence but with the amount of adventures you have you knew you couldn't possibly do them all with the normal notice we get here. heck 13 days notice is longer then they normally give us.

look in this game you have to be diverse in what you do, some adventuring, a mix of resources. Any time to sink everything into one thing your gonna get burned. this happened with the people who had nothing on there island but gold chains when they were using the exploit for refills. they complained then as well when it got fixed. People like you who were over using this system are the reason they changed it. not to mention all the people on the forums that would tell others how to " cheat the system" Like when guide makers talked about the bonus beans from nukes. now granted I over used RTBN to train my guys up and they still could change the drops on these but i have already used them all( i even made the guide for RTBN that won 2nd place in the adventure guide contest, using a Block), Im not sitting on them hoping that BB changes them for my benefit and then find out they got worse so I complain I cant do them all before the change.

what if artifact search turned into 99% chance of solar flares? then you would be complaining. wpp functioned as it did and bb didn't say anything, bug or not. i have enough books for the next science system, if it ever drops, so rbn versus mse doesn't apply to me. bb only had to say that wpp was bugged from the beginning. they still haven't. basically, you are saying if bb changed upgrade costs from granite to salt and you bought salt for some dumb reason, that it is ok that bb changed it. bb could make a game that was enjoyable and profitable, but instead they prefer people to play and spend, then leave, and then a new round comes and plays and spends, etc.

See in this statement your assuming that the generals will also get a science system. When they don't or its a different resource used to train or whatever, your gonna complain again because they didnt do what you expected. thats your gamble, they do not have to what you assume they are going to do.

[Bigbobdog]

I think you are not getting it and your wording points to that. They are changing something. Most people assume that when the devs have done something it is what it is for better or worse. Not CHANGE it.

The problem is the change. People are going to feel it is a bait and switch maneuver.

This isnt complaining about a science system that hasnt happened but rather something that has happened and they are changing this instead of looking at a solution that would please both sides.

And i didnt sink everything into MSE but rather i bought about 100 of them and 100 rtbn. If they change that i guess i shouldnt have bought either? By that logic to be fully protected we shouldnt buy anything at all anymore then we are really protected.

[ebotty]

People like you who were over using this system are the reason they changed it.

I would be an idiot to not play the game to my best possible advantage. If they make a camp-destroying item, I will destroy camps. If they make adventures cheap, I will not send explorers to look for adventures. If they make gold-chaining profitable, I will gold chain. Etc, etc..

And it seems like bad developmental procedure that AFTER FOUR MONTHS, a company decides that its players are benefiting too much from a game item and changes its function.

not to mention all the people on the forums that would tell others how to " cheat the system" Like when guide makers talked about the bonus beans from nukes.

Please, people, stop calling other players 'cheaters.' BB hasn't even done that. They didn't in those exact guides you mentioned, either. There was no way to 'cheat the system' to receive any more beans than anyone else. All higher level players were capable of playing the same mini-game gamble. And it was a gamble, never guaranteed. 1 in 3 chance of gaining extra. 1 in 3 chance of getting the same. 1 in 3 chance of getting LESS beans.

People are going to feel it is a bait and switch maneuver.

This seems to be the consensus of the negative feedback concerning this change.

[ebotty]

See in this statement your assuming that the generals will also get a science system. When they don't or its a different resource used to train or whatever, your gonna complain again because they didnt do what you expected. thats your gamble, they do not have to what you assume they are going to do.

Yes, I assume they will implement a new science tree, because BB said that they would. Why wouldn't I be disappointed and complain if they did not? It would be a terrible dev move to make the next science trees not use books. I do not understand what your point is.

[Artillerist]

It would be a terrible dev move to make the next science trees not use books.

Why wouldn't making Medals work just as well? They never said that they were doing it in the way you think they did. They have always made changes on the fly to move the game back to what they think is Balanced. The Gold chain, the new provision house, the Buff change, the New general sizes, the new buildings in general. Are these not just as much bait and switch as what you are claiming? I leveled allot of Nobles to 5 only to tear them down for frozen nobles and a cost. i tore down breweries to replace with Friary. With all these new permit free buildings, I have more permits then I can use. Does this means they owe me gems/stalks or what ever I used to buy the permits? Can I sell my slow generals I saved for back because I don't need them now with all these other generals I got?
The answer is NO, the game evolves not always the way we want it, or the way we assume it should. As many people have said your one option is to vote with your wallet that's it. if only some of these people who constantly say they will quit over minor things would just leave already

[ebotty]

Why wouldn't making Medals work just as well? They never said that they were doing it in the way you think they did. They have always made changes on the fly to move the game back to what they think is Balanced. The Gold chain, the new provision house, the Buff change, the New general sizes, the new buildings in general. Are these not just as much bait and switch as what you are claiming? I leveled allot of Nobles to 5 only to tear them down for frozen nobles and a cost. i tore down breweries to replace with Friary. With all these new permit free buildings, I have more permits then I can use. Does this means they owe me gems/stalks or what ever I used to buy the permits? Can I sell my slow generals I saved for back because I don't need them now with all these other generals I got?
The answer is NO, the game evolves not always the way we want it, or the way we assume it should. As many people have said your one option is to vote with your wallet that's it. if only some of these people who constantly say they will quit over minor things would just leave already

Agreed. We can still give feedback though, even if it is negative.

[jackrack500]

no1 has answered my question have they nerfed nukes from mse?

[ebotty]

no1 has answered my question have they nerfed nukes from mse?

yes, and march 26th they will be further nerfed. if you mean removed from mse loot drops, bb-rawren said yes, with a soft maybe not.

[Artillerist]

no1 has answered my question have they nerfed nukes from mse?

You would know the answer if you read any of the 600 other posts about it that you have responded too

[jackrack500]

i don't read every single post in the thread. soab 6 rows gone to waste since i still can't play fricking great. thanks dev pls keep taking ur time