[03:32] [Equal] MikeOkhertz: Some people are just bad people and need something to whine about.
[03:32] [Equal] MikeOkhertz: Some people are just bad people and need something to whine about.
Personal opinion follows, file as appropriate...
I voted for Trade Channel in the ballot, but I wish I'd read the above conversation first. The issue isn't as straightforward as I'd been thinking.
For instance - it isn't as simple as telling traders to use the Ignore function on the givers. I would think the Trader's chief concern is that their offers get nearly zero visibility as they scroll off the top of the page in 2 seconds flat because of all the 'TY's and 'YW's. Those niceties could be done via Whisper, but how do you inform the constant influx of newbies of that convention without clogging trade chat even more? Same with ruling that the niceties are flat-out not welcome. They'll still happen until the newbies are told (over and over) to not do it.
Trivia's are far worse, with the streams of answers and general banter that occurs between questions. Trivia's have no place in the Trade Channel.
Personally - I would classify trivia's and giveaways as 'Contests'. One of knowledge, the other of fortunate timing and quick clicking. I would NOW vote that such 'Contests' be done in Global-1. As stated earlier - changing to a different global channel isn't newbie friendly, and I would think they are the main target audience for the giveaways. Newbies would automatically see them in Global-1.
As for the BB reps and Mods not being on the same page for this stuff... c'mon BB - all it takes is one email from Susu to all Mods.
I don't have a problem with a Trade tab giveaway until it goes on ad nauseum. The problem with simply ignoring the individual in that instance is that even though you can't see the posts of the person you've placed on ignore, the monopoly of the "screen time" is still held by that person holding the giveaway. You don't see the posts, but they're still there taking up screentime. Someone trying to sell or swap a lootspot, or anything else, can't really keep the trade visible for any meaningful amount of time and, at least on Ares, we have the unwritten rule of not spamming Trade with your offers (posting the same trade more than once every 5 mins).
So, If I'm selling or swapping lootspots, or perhaps in the final few minutes of Premium and looking for other lootspots/swaps then my posts are literally off the screen in under a minute because of all the "ty" "yw" "whats next" "what do you guys need" "going to be in the hospital next week" "guess what's wrong with me now" etc, etc, etc. Because most of us don't spam we sit there burning another 5 mins of our Premium time, or the premium time of our lootspotters......and that's kind of expensive to burn. Again, the issue isn't simply about lootspots and Premium time, it's about other trades as well. That's just an example of how the issue affects me.
We have an "unofficial" auction channel, I don't know why holding "extended" giveaways couldn't occur on another channel. Just simple courtesy for the rest of the traders imho.
1) off the screen depends on the size of your chat window
2) keeping it on the screen is not a reasonable goal if you post once every 5 minutes.
3) people do know how to scroll back a few minutes
More of the same "new" content with a different bow? I will give more of the "same" towards my gem accumulation.
I agree 100%. Clearly draconus is the wisest player on these forums.Originally Posted by Draconus2004
1. Screen fully opened
2. It is unless someone is monopolizing the tab (at least in Ares), and;
3. Agreed, but if the screen is fully engaged with ad nauseum trinket give away babble, as specified above, it doesn't matter whether or not they "know how" (lol) to scroll back. I assume that most ppl have that one figured out ;-)
Quote Originally Posted by Draconus2004 View Post
1) off the screen depends on the size of your chat window
2) keeping it on the screen is not a reasonable goal if you post once every 5 minutes.
3) people do know how to scroll back a few minutes
I agree 100%. Clearly draconus is the wisest player on these forums.
Clearly you are not! Why should someone be expected or even expect to scroll up the screen constantly in search of trdes they do not even know are available. Put the giveaways in their own tab and be done with it. People should then be allowed one post to inform of giveaways. If they're not sure if there are any giveaways the they are free to scroll up and down the page looking for a possiblity that it exists.
And as Dirkjon alluded to. Every time MikeO gets on giving away stuff he demands that everyone that gets a lot says "thank you" or he threatens to stop the giveaways because people do not appreciate him enough and respect his generosity. Yes this happens every day for an hour each day. clogging trade tab and filling it with useless egotistical nonsense.
Well I have gotten an official response to my support ticket regarding my ban and other issues I have had regarding all this "chatter" Here it goes folks...plain and simple in a nutshell with para phrasing........IF YOU ARE HOSTING SOMETHING, ANYTHING,Trading game, giveaways, trivia, etc......"you are hosting" Then it needs to be in global 2-xxx. It cannot be done in global 1, trade or tab. Even though i was told by a bb in global 1 when i started my personal discount emporium that is was in essence not a trade but a giveaway so it could be done in global 1. But we shall digress since it seems to be too much of an issue for people to use the ignore button. *takes deep breath*
Again, if you are "hosting" it. It belongs in global 2-xxx. So make a general announcement in global 1/help/trade that you are starting an event, and which global channel 2-xx you will be using and then go there. Then no one can complain, nor should you be banned. That being said. I hope i never see another bb trivia game in global one ever again, as they would be breaking there own rule.
I see no reason why they can't be held in global 1. I never go there anyways. lol. Just not in trade tab.
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