Player Giveaways and Contests

[Deano1978]

I think Mike like me and other High players use Trade as a way to help everyone and it should stay in Trade.

[Milo_Orpheus]

I know socialism and government regulation is all the rage these days with yuppies but seriously, why does giving something away need to be regulated AT ALL? Just because something exists and it happens does not mean there needs to be rules and regulations on the 'proper' time and place to do it. Obviously BB has no qualms about having giveaways in global-1 because they give stuff away there. If you want to give something away in help or trade WHY ON EARTH WOULD YOU FEEL THE NEED TO STOP IT OR REGULATE IT? You people who are trying to regulate giving stuff away are utterly pathetic.

[Veclar]

Larger players helping smaller players is a critical piece of the game dynamics. EVERYONE has at one point been helped with someone's generosity. It is not only welcomed...but necessary to maintain social structure. In addition the turnaround of new players has a direct link to these "give-aways" and special events. Banning players for such activities is not only counter productive to the game, but to the franchise as a whole.

[Snacknado]

communism looks good on paper but it doesnt work. It is much more helpful teaching someone how to catch their own fish rather giving them a fish. Giveaways are nice but when it consists of a trivia type game where whoever answers the question first gets the prize clutters trade tab for everyone else who is trying to advertise goods. Even though it is nice of a player to give out free resources, it is quite selfish if you are taking over trade tab and not allowing people to post their trades....

If you are simply posting resources in TO for 1 fish and advertising it, that is one thing, but when you require the participants to answer questions is when it becomes TRIVIA, which does not belong in Trade Tab.

-Snack aka TH

[Milo_Orpheus]

communism looks good on paper but it doesnt work.

You really need some education on what communism is. Giving stuff away is not communism, the government claiming ownership of everything you own and redistributing it has been what governments who call themselves communist did do but that is not communism either. Communism is working together (without trade or currency) to meet the needs of all, something that no human government has ever managed to pull off. Furthermore your teach how to fish rather than give a fish line is beyond stupid in the context of this game because while addicting people to handouts in the real world can cause them to stop progressing (often by draconian requirements attached to said hand outs forcing them to not work, not get married, not get a job, etc if they want to keep getting benefits), in the context of this game handouts accelerates progress, it doesn't inhibit it.

Lastly and more to the point, the reason trivia is in trade is because of absurd interpretations of the 'rules' by out of control mods who have arbitrarily decided that trivia is not allowed in global-1 because its trade. If you were really paying attention to the new rule they are trying to set up you would see that the new rule while yes it would stop giveaways from being posted in global-1, help, and trade it would further be interrupted by the same out of control mods to make giveaways illegal altogether which would just happen to have the side effect of posting 1 fish for 1k coins illegal which would just happen to make selling ls in TO illegal. And you are supporting this rule simply because you are upset that someone dares to post something in trade that you dont like and you want rules and regulations to be imposed rather than simply muting the people who are annoying you.

[Melorr]

The issue of players having resource giveaways and mini-contests in the public chat channels has been questioned as far as the appropriateness of the channel where they occur. The Code of Conduct (CoC) and Chat Guidelines contain the following:

• Trade Requests (and announcing when you post a trade in the Trade Office) should be reserved for the trade tab only.

From this, the working rule has been that resource giveaways, which require only announcements of posted trade offers, should be done in the trade channel. However, when there is additional player involvement, such as asking questions, and resources are awarded based on individual player response, this becomes a contest. Player-created events should follow the rules as posted in the CoC section. These events are normally requested to be held in the non-default global channels, 2-30. The forum calendar is available to players for scheduling player events.

Why don't you just select several global room such as global 5-7 and designate them as player trivia and giveaway room. I can say from experience that going through the BB channel asking for permission to use a global room for a giveaway and scheduling it on their calendar did absolutely nothing. Half hour before event was to start I got "suggested to" move to another room. Unimpressed by the "support" I got.

[alexanderbb2013]

I've said it before in another post, but I'll give the abridged version here. Giveaways should not be done in trade tab. I've seen a few people do it there with little consequence. But, when you hve someone like M that comes in trade every day for an hour giveaways free baubles for people many of them level 50 players that don't even need the stuff to begin with in is an utter nuisance and causes all trade to shut down while he's there. I've seen other people do giveaways with little ill effects. However, M demands that everyone says thank you to him for every lot. He also verbally abuses and bullies others along the way inspiring his lackeys to do the same. There's also the unaddressed issue of him posting links to outside websites. Sending people there for some reason unknown to all but the offender. Possibilities include pay-per-click where he gets paid money for each individual that comes to the site or even viruses, malware, or bugs infiecting unsuspecting visitors. This player has ruined all giveaways for everyone and should not only be banned from trade tab but from TSO altogether. All other posts here that differ from this opinion are to ignorant to understand this or just chose to ignore it for 1000nibs, etc. Guilds are set up to provide assistance to lower level players. Go to your guild and ask for help. If they can't provide it then find a different guild. Learn how to play the game people. The developers have done an excellent job of being thorough in the game design and implementation. It is a scourge for offensive players to bend the rules and rewrite them for their own ulterior motives

[Slim_Pickins]

I see 2 issues here, player giveaways and contests. As long as a giveaway is posted as a trade I do not see a problem with that.
Contests should be held in global 2-30. Advertizing a contest may be announced in all channels as long as they do not result in chat spam.

[Milo_Orpheus]

I've said it before in another post, but I'll give the abridged version here. Giveaways should not be done in trade tab. I've seen a few people do it there with little consequence. But, when you hve someone like M that comes in trade every day for an hour giveaways free baubles for people many of them level 50 players that don't even need the stuff to begin with in is an utter nuisance and causes all trade to shut down while he's there. I've seen other people do giveaways with little ill effects. However, M demands that everyone says thank you to him for every lot. He also verbally abuses and bullies others along the way inspiring his lackeys to do the same. There's also the unaddressed issue of him posting links to outside websites. Sending people there for some reason unknown to all but the offender. Possibilities include pay-per-click where he gets paid money for each individual that comes to the site or even viruses, malware, or bugs infiecting unsuspecting visitors. This player has ruined all giveaways for everyone and should not only be banned from trade tab but from TSO altogether. All other posts here that differ from this opinion are to ignorant to understand this or just chose to ignore it for 1000nibs, etc. Guilds are set up to provide assistance to lower level players. Go to your guild and ask for help. If they can't provide it then find a different guild. Learn how to play the game people. The developers have done an excellent job of being thorough in the game design and implementation. It is a scourge for offensive players to bend the rules and rewrite them for their own ulterior motives

1: trade is not dependent on chatting about it
2: people engaging people in their trades, even if they are giveaways, does not stop you from peddling your wares in trade. It just makes people less interested in your trades if the other trades being offered are more interesting, welcome to capitalism 101.
3: you can mute people you do not want to hear from and no one is forced to say anything to these people unless they want to participate
4: your other issues listed are completely unrelated to the issue at hand and you are free to write a ticket about them.
5: Creating a new rule because you dont like what someone else is doing is petty and ridiculous.

Saying you dont like what someone else is doing and choosing to not participate in it is one thing, trying to coerce everyone else into being forced to do things how you want them done is quite another. Mute him and move on, and if your friends are participating in events with him then you can take that issue up with your friends, and if you have to mute so many people to avoid having to see what you consider spam that there is no one left, well, then that is a personal problem and shouldnt be made into our problem.

[alexanderbb2013]

1: trade is not dependent on chatting about it
2: people engaging people in their trades, even if they are giveaways, does not stop you from peddling your wares in trade. It just makes people less interested in your trades if the other trades being offered are more interesting, welcome to capitalism 101.
3: you can mute people you do not want to hear from and no one is forced to say anything to these people unless they want to participate
4: your other issues listed are completely unrelated to the issue at hand and you are free to write a ticket about them.
5: Creating a new rule because you dont like what someone else is doing is petty and ridiculous.

Saying you dont like what someone else is doing and choosing to not participate in it is one thing, trying to coerce everyone else into being forced to do things how you want them done is quite another. Mute him and move on, and if your friends are participating in events with him then you can take that issue up with your friends, and if you have to mute so many people to avoid having to see what you consider spam that there is no one left, well, then that is a personal problem and shouldnt be made into our problem.

Please refer to my observation about ignorance for comments 1-5.