what's the point?

[Wujcio]

Here's my "problem"

i see people offering 7500+ gc for 5000 gold ore deposits (Zeus)

I see offers of gold ore for 0.5 gc.

That means , that with triple buff, 5000 deposit will bring 15k ore, i.e. 7500gc = equal or less that you can readily sell the deposit for.

Cheapest buffs (badges) to process 5k ore (on lvl 6 fast mine)cost 600gc or more...so the whole thing is a money losing scheme (and i'm assuming the "best" setup - fast lvl6 mine)

So it must be 4 x buffs right?

well 5000 deposit with quad buff makes 20k ore , ie 10k gc which equals price of deposit + price of rainbow buff. (snacks are similar in price)

So...what's the point if you can make the same amount of money just by simply selling the deposit...

I'm sure i'm missing something here....

[Raubhautz]

Here's my "problem"

i see people offering 7500+ gc for 5000 gold ore deposits (Zeus)

I see offers of gold ore for 0.5 gc.

That means , that with triple buff, 5000 deposit will bring 15k ore, i.e. 7500gc = equal or less that you can readily sell the deposit for.
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So...what's the point if you can make the same amount of money just by simply selling the deposit...

I'm sure i'm missing something here....

lol - Welcome to the most greedy world of Zeus server. Most of these 'regular' sellers in the TO will take the shirt off your back - if you let them. There are lots of bogus trades put up to snare the noob/unsuspecting. I have said this before, and it is not likely to change any time soon: The 'regular traders' (most anyway), treat the TO as if their very existence in RL depends on it (Some Wall-Street guys don't try to clean you out as much as in our TO).

Just do what you find best, do not worry about the 'offers' that are ridiculous. Looks like you have done some of your home work already, so you should be fine.

BTW - Don't be shy about posting what you want for what you will pay or think is fair. There are enough reasonable players out there that you are likely to get a bite; I do that all the time. It is just a drag that you can only post so many items at a time without hurting your overhead.

[Wujcio]

did not mean "bogus" trades... people are offering 7500 gc (and more) to but 5000 ore depo... AND people are offering gold ore at 2 ore to 1 gc ratio. I meant that you can readily sell your ore deposits and buy gold ore at prices that make processing gold ore deposits actually make you lose money, no mater how you do it.

[Troll-Phu]

ppl are going to need those big depos for the new mines and with all the free buffs being brought in you can get a lot out of each depo

[Draconus2004]

lets follow the line of reasoning on why this occurs:
Americans fail at math
Zeus is an American server
Gold mining used to make a profit
Too many inexperienced people jumped on the bandwagon
People are slow to change and like to stick to their habitual ways

I wonder how these 5 statements could combine to cause this? It is a real mystery.

[Wujcio]

well, it's a sad reality...economy is completely out of whack.... deposits cant be cheaper, simply because if there continuously are items offered at the merchant that sell at close to 20gc per gem... why would anyone sell deposits at less than 10gc per gem? (5k ore depo costs 750 gems).

So if not deposits, why wouldn't gold ore sell for more? Simply because it's mainly used to make...gold coins...and if i'm correct, using most efficient buff - badges - on smelters and coinages it takes roughly 950 gc (500 for ore and 450 gc for buffing) to process 1000 ore and produce 1125 gc. Lot's of maintenance for relatively little profit.

I don't think it ever will corrected, to be honest....

[psaltery]

are u factoring in a x4 buff on all 3: lvl 6 fast gold mine, lvl 5 gold smelt and lvl 5 coiner? lucky and skilled exp often bring back x4 buffs now, so players consider them 'free'

[Snacknado]

lets follow the line of reasoning on why this occurs:
Americans fail at math
Zeus is an American server
Gold mining used to make a profit
Too many inexperienced people jumped on the bandwagon
People are slow to change and like to stick to their habitual ways

I wonder how these 5 statements could combine to cause this? It is a real mystery.

*nail on head*

[Wujcio]

Using 4x buffs on coinages/smelters is a bad idea: 60 cycles per 24 hours means you get 1200 coins for the 4th cycle over 4 days + the worth of 4 days of badges that you save (3 per day x 4 = 12 x 50 gc = 600 coins) so you lose 700 gc by placing rainbow on a lvl5 coinage. (similar loss form stadium snack)

[Snacknado]

X4 Buff lvl5-lvl6 gold mines- turn 500 gold ore depo (parrot) into 2k gold ore. x3 gold smelters- 2000 gold ore into 3000 bars. x3 coinages- 3000 bars into 2250 gold coin. minus buff cost and coal and time.....

say a rainbow cost 2.5k gc and can process about 5k gold ore deposit on a lvl5-6 fast gold mine. so ONE rainbow will process a pickaxe, turning 5k gold ore depo into 20k gold ore, using badges turning 20k gold ore into 30k bars, badging coinages turning 30k bars into 22.5k gc.... after minusing cost of rainbow, cost of pickaxe,.... SO- it will take 41 badges to turn 20k gold ore into 30k bars (lvl5 smelters) and 62 badges to turn 30k bars into 22.5k gc. Around 103 (1.2k gc per stack) badges used, 1 rainbow buff (2.5kgc) and 1 pickaxe (7.5kgc), 80k coal (400 gc) = 15344 gc. GIVEN YOU DO NOT!!! MISS A BUFF CYCLE,you will make a total profit of 7156gc