Salt an Titanium - simple math.

[Snacknado]

While I agree you should x4 buff with those expensive building such as canon or DS, You forget ONE main thing this topic try to prove. The game is going to direction that IMPOSSIBLE for new players ( aka 20,30,40 level players). We ( old players) can maintenance those building with x4 buff all day long and yes everyone know that you should x4 buff those building to get the most of out it BUT please tell me how can new players have enough x4 buffs . It already hard enough to just build the chain building itself which require huge amount of granite, titan,... Sorry but I don't think people are willing to spend money (aka buy gem) for a game that it require them like a year or insane among of gem to be able do some epic adventures / level up to 45+ ,.... ( basically to somewhat enjoy end game)

If guilds who allows new players to join their guild properly trained those players and taught them how to trade successfully and how to optimize their island production (profit margins) by telling them what cheap buildings yield great profit- no new player should have a problem. Tibeius has been playing for only 2-3months and he took my advice and he has become very successful. He is almost done with his cannon chain(lvl 5) and i am sure he will get the most out of production. But not every player wants to listen or play like that- some like to have every building and run completely self-sufficient islands (which most of the time you lose gc(value) doing) but too each their own. If all guilds offered help/tips about optimizing your profit margins through adv running, building production and trade, no new player should really be struggling like many are claiming, if the tips/help is provided and they actually want to learn then there really wouldn't be any problems.

if anyone would like any help or tips you can mail/whisper me on Zeus or send me a message/mail through forum

[Ceruhe]

too each their own. If all guilds offered help/tips about optimizing your profit margins through adv running, building production and trade, no new player should really be struggling like many are claiming

I almost want to say you are nailing the exact opposite from one sentence to another. To each their own is the only way you can make your "optimized profit margins", since if everyone would be doing the same, there would be a whole new problem, which isn't countered by adjusting, since everyone then would (assuming they keep up with the changes and don't fall into the to each their ownattitude).

But you guys went astray here anyway, let's just assume you do have your L5 chain and x4 buff it, according to the simple math, that is still only
"Buffed 4x from regular BK drops I can expect to train about 13 ES or 6 canoneers." < Going by the numbers where you do hit salt/*** instead of ewl/granny.

Most of you know how bad a block can get (and we are only taking blocking into the consideration, since if you would just raze every camp like BB thinks they intended it to be), you virtually would never ever lose any of the good troops. Obviously exclude BB fail lags that causes assignment mistakes like it was right after the "PvP" update, people are half asleep and blunder it up or don't follow any guides....or the ones that do use them as their main attack force (which then they deserve to face the hardships).

Balancing simply isn't one of BB's strong points at all (or whoever is resposible for the jack they push out on a bad shedule because money), and they just keep slowing down any progress a new player can experience. We are already big and got our stuff accomplished, from our point of view it may be moot, but to a new player with a 200 Gen, no cash dropped and isn't completely egomaniacal playing, this game went from casual to ultra casual...or rather instead of climbing a mountain, they now got to push a boulder up with them, to never really be able to reach the peak to let it roll down the other side. And since this is a game with no greater goals toward "feeling better about accomplishing something", I'm not sure how many will actually reach that point ever.

[Snacknado]

clearly not everyone plays this game to "optimize profit margins" i would say that those players who do are the minority group in this game, but my point was that if a new player is willing to learn and wants to do that- it is fairly easy for them to progress in this game, even without buying gems.

[Snacknado]

probably easier to start now and progress than people who started 2-3.5 years ago

[Plumz]

I have a suggestion for you Snacknado. Start a fresh island on another server, without gems. See how your life is going to improve when you get to lev 30+ WITHOUT weapons, expansive buffs and upgraded chains. I am getting tired of your attitude finding excuses for every legitimate complain about obstacles mounted by the game design for fresh players.

"Every player knows epic weapons should be only used with 4x buffs.."? How many players level 30-40 do you actually know who have access to artifact searches? Simply put you can't see pass your upgraded island economy, easy access to buffs and stockpiles of resources.

Start fresh and then post your comments.

[Snacknado]

I have a suggestion for you Snacknado. Start a fresh island on another server, without gems. See how your life is going to improve when you get to lev 30+ WITHOUT weapons, expansive buffs and upgraded chains. I am getting tired of your attitude finding excuses for every legitimate complain about obstacles mounted by the game design for fresh players.

"Every player knows epic weapons should be only used with 4x buffs.."? How many players level 30-40 do you actually know who have access to artifact searches? Simply put you can't see pass your upgraded island economy, easy access to buffs and stockpiles of resources.

Start fresh and then post your comments.

I did, i have a lvl 24 on Ares with 60k+gc, until i quit and gave all my stuff to my guildies, was around for halloween and christmas events and was able to buy everything in the shop. But that is not really a fair comparison because I know this game very well and it is easy to make profit if you know how to trade well. But i assumed that players with epic weapon chain knew that it is only worth running them with x4 buffs, and if you dont it is just simple math. "How many players lvl 30-40 do you actually know who have access to artifact searches?" How many players lvl30-40 do you know that actually make expert weapons... you cant even use cannons until your 48 and damas 42.....

[Snacknado]

I actually did not run any adventures nor have anything on my island besides storehouses, all i did was trade and was quite successful.

[Snacknado]

It is not so much excuses rather just tips- Dont run expert weapon chains unless lvl5 and with x4 buffs, or else you will lose money doing so. etc. ..........

[Plumz]

yep that tip works very well for people who need expert weapons to do higher level adventures ..."don't run expert weapons till you gt lev5 and have 4x buffs.." Brilliant

[Snacknado]

yep that tip works very well for people who need expert weapons to do higher level adventures ..."don't run expert weapons till you gt lev5 and have 4x buffs.." Brilliant

Yeah, because you would be losing gc value if you did do this- would be cheaper to buy the weapons on TO by selling the raw materials used to make the weapons than processing them through a chain less than lvl5