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    Quote Originally Posted by RonEmpire View Post
    [...] Best event ever. Gold tower for reward. Oh yea.

    No Christmas has been as awesome since.

    They need to bring back the awesomeness.
    100% agree on that xmas (2013). Though as I recall the boxes dropped good for about 2 weeks, then was 'nerfed' into poor rewards. If you purchased early in event, you came up, if not SOL. All in all, though, that event was the best. (IMHO).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raubhautz View Post
    100% agree on that xmas (2013). Though as I recall the boxes dropped good for about 2 weeks, then was 'nerfed' into poor rewards. If you purchased early in event, you came up, if not SOL. All in all, though, that event was the best. (IMHO).
    I completely agree.
    Still around from time to time.

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    Well I tried 70 Boxes. I feel like it was wasted myself.

    Crap 22
    Deco 21
    Gingerbread 1
    Imp Farm 4
    Iron Mine 4
    White Castle 7
    Imp Water 1
    Imp Storehouse 5
    Watermill 2
    The Frozen Manor 1
    Silo 2

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    bought 3 -- 1 fish farm - 2 trash -- gave up... (arctic is trash in my opinion).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Revelion View Post
    Well I tried 70 Boxes. I feel like it was wasted myself.

    Crap 22
    Deco 21
    Gingerbread 1
    Imp Farm 4
    Iron Mine 4
    White Castle 7
    Imp Water 1
    Imp Storehouse 5
    Watermill 2
    The Frozen Manor 1
    Silo 2
    From this list:
    Improved Farm: 845 gems x 4 = 3,380 gems
    Arctic Iron Mine: (295 presents @ 300 gems/100 presents) 885 gems x 4 = 3,540 gems
    Improved Watermill: (595 presents @ 300 gems/100 presents) 1785 gems x 1 = 1,785 gems
    Improved Storehouse: 750 gems x 5 = 3,750 gems
    Watermill: 895 gems x 2 = 1,790 gems
    Silo: 750 gems x 2 = 1,500 gems

    Total = 15,745 gems
    Gems Spent = 24,500 gems

    The decorations do cost presents, with the christmas trees between 40 and 60 presents if you were to buy, with 3 in a pack of decorations. The store value would be about 150 presents, or 450 gems, and with 21 of them would add another 9,450 gems. This would push up the total to 25,195 gems and already exceed what was spent to get 70 of the boxes. The Gingerbread house, the Frozen Manor, and the 7 White Castles are just bonus if you include the decoration cost.

    Since we would not buy the decorations, the 9 population builds were gained for the difference of 8,755 gems. The only reasonable data I can take from the market is 20,000 gold for the white castles, which even using a 10:1 coin:gem ratio puts the player ahead on the white castles alone (14,000 gems), with the extra gingerbread house and frozen manor just being the bonus.

    Generally, it looks like they just set the prices to put the players somewhat ahead by buying the boxes. It is not the killing that happened with the lower priced boxes, but it is hard to call them a 'rip off' with the returns being reported.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aurboth View Post
    From this list:
    Improved Farm: 845 gems x 4 = 3,380 gems
    Arctic Iron Mine: (295 presents @ 300 gems/100 presents) 885 gems x 4 = 3,540 gems
    Improved Watermill: (595 presents @ 300 gems/100 presents) 1785 gems x 1 = 1,785 gems
    Improved Storehouse: 750 gems x 5 = 3,750 gems
    Watermill: 895 gems x 2 = 1,790 gems
    Silo: 750 gems x 2 = 1,500 gems

    Total = 15,745 gems
    Gems Spent = 24,500 gems

    The decorations do cost presents, with the christmas trees between 40 and 60 presents if you were to buy, with 3 in a pack of decorations. The store value would be about 150 presents, or 450 gems, and with 21 of them would add another 9,450 gems. This would push up the total to 25,195 gems and already exceed what was spent to get 70 of the boxes. The Gingerbread house, the Frozen Manor, and the 7 White Castles are just bonus if you include the decoration cost.

    Since we would not buy the decorations, the 9 population builds were gained for the difference of 8,755 gems. The only reasonable data I can take from the market is 20,000 gold for the white castles, which even using a 10:1 coin:gem ratio puts the player ahead on the white castles alone (14,000 gems), with the extra gingerbread house and frozen manor just being the bonus.

    Generally, it looks like they just set the prices to put the players somewhat ahead by buying the boxes. It is not the killing that happened with the lower priced boxes, but it is hard to call them a 'rip off' with the returns being reported.
    I think a better representation of the opinion I hear about the boxes from almost everyone is:

    "It's not a clear win for me to spend money on something like that because I'm not clearly getting a great value out of it. I'm not sure that I'll get anything I do want and I don't care about getting the things I don't want, no matter what they cost in gems. No sale."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aurboth View Post
    From this list:
    Improved Farm: 845 gems x 4 = 3,380 gems
    Arctic Iron Mine: (295 presents @ 300 gems/100 presents) 885 gems x 4 = 3,540 gems
    Improved Watermill: (595 presents @ 300 gems/100 presents) 1785 gems x 1 = 1,785 gems
    Improved Storehouse: 750 gems x 5 = 3,750 gems
    Watermill: 895 gems x 2 = 1,790 gems
    Silo: 750 gems x 2 = 1,500 gems

    Total = 15,745 gems
    Gems Spent = 24,500 gems

    The decorations do cost presents, with the christmas trees between 40 and 60 presents if you were to buy, with 3 in a pack of decorations. The store value would be about 150 presents, or 450 gems, and with 21 of them would add another 9,450 gems. This would push up the total to 25,195 gems and already exceed what was spent to get 70 of the boxes. The Gingerbread house, the Frozen Manor, and the 7 White Castles are just bonus if you include the decoration cost.

    Since we would not buy the decorations, the 9 population builds were gained for the difference of 8,755 gems. The only reasonable data I can take from the market is 20,000 gold for the white castles, which even using a 10:1 coin:gem ratio puts the player ahead on the white castles alone (14,000 gems), with the extra gingerbread house and frozen manor just being the bonus.

    Generally, it looks like they just set the prices to put the players somewhat ahead by buying the boxes. It is not the killing that happened with the lower priced boxes, but it is hard to call them a 'rip off' with the returns being reported.
    Quite honestly I would agree Ciaira_Belle with putting the Arctic in the trash pile but in my personal list I gave them a 225 gem evaluation as I did sell them for 75 presents each. For your evaluation of the White Castles based on current Markets gems were valued at 37.5:1 coin:gem (Value was taken from recent Gem Auctions) bringing that value closer 3750 Gems. I had them placed at 295 each in my list so I under estimated them (total 2065). I actually gave these away to several people who needed something a little nicer looking on there islands. For the decoration I marked them as 0 didn't want them and too many of them to toss on the TO.

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    clearly they're worth more on zeus - on ares you cant give them away (arctic mines)

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    You sound like a bunch of people in a casino complaining that the house always wins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ciara_Belle View Post
    clearly they're worth more on zeus - on ares you cant give them away (arctic mines)
    lol, Yeah, I laughed out loud and almost choked on my coffee when I read that someone actually rated the Arctic mine as 885 gems - NOONE I know of in-game has purchased an Arctic Mine from the merchant in well, over a year - at least; and selling them in TO - you are correct, have to give them away, unless you get a nibble from some noob. I like to use them as free lvl5 mines on my island, I get enough to mix with my iIM and kick up production... let it expire or fill if I have extra fills. And Water Mill too, really. With release of the iWM, why bother with an oversize building in the first place.

    Quote Originally Posted by EpsilonSilver View Post
    You sound like a bunch of people in a casino complaining that the house always wins.
    Good point. And a reason I do not visit joints like Atlantic City and LV (I do hit Laughlin, however... have good shows and got family near-by)... I don't gamble with my $ or those stinkin' boxes.
    “Many that live deserve death. And some die that deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then be not too eager to deal out death in the name of justice, fearing for your own safety. Even the wise cannot see all ends.”
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