Player Guidelines - Lootspots

[LaTuFu]

I think this is an area that the mod staff and game staff need to firmly decide to steer clear of. That's the ultimate definition of "self-policed."

I have only had issues with LS in very, very rare instances. When it happened, there were very reasonable reasons why, and the players involved were able to resolve amicably. I have only had one situation where a player was unreliable and unreasonable in their behavior towards a resolution. The simple solution for that is no more LS activity with this player going forward. If my experience is anywhere near the norm, and I think that it is, anecdotally, simply because I have never seen anyone in the trade chats complain frequently about problems. If a problem did exist, TO would be disrupted a lot more frequently. Players being players, they're not going to be quiet about getting ripped off regularly.

Any attempts to codify or regulate this type of player activity by the mod staff is not only unnecessary, it is a stretch of authority in my opinion.

Leave this system alone. It is already remarkably well regulated on its own, and it is at least due in part to the fact that the mod/game staff are not attempting to control it.

[Ceruhe]

At this point I could also point out that Pandur stated they are working on an offcial system supported solution to this lootspot area so that there wouldn't be any issues by definition....but we already know what kind of timeframe we are looking at, specially since Pandur said it many moons ago.

Then again commenting this was near useless for me as only a fraction of people will read it until my posts gets deleted again for no reason. Thanks in advance for that.

[Eriond]

I think this is an area that the mod staff and game staff need to firmly decide to steer clear of. That's the ultimate definition of "self-policed."

Hear, hear.

[NeoOne]

I am sure glad that I belong to a guild that only gives LS to members and doesn't sell them. All the complicated rules etc. are not needed. Perhaps we are not as greedy as other players.

Best policy, for **** sure. Though I do have a few select friends which I consider 100% reliable - and they have not failed yet, so.... All others, nah, not worth the potential hassle.

[Upgrayeddd]

I am sure glad that I belong to a guild that only gives LS to members and doesn't sell them. All the complicated rules etc. are not needed. Perhaps we are not as greedy as other players.

This is really sad. Because BB has steadfastly refused to acknowledge that the selling of loot spots is a reality, some players have given up entirely and are now cocooned in their own little sub-game, free from the interference of moderation.

[AlphaSmitey]

ok, so smitey is not sure MoD worded the beginning of this thread in the best possible way. so smitey would like to start by trying to clarify, to the best of smiteys understanding, the reason here. As stated in beginning of Thread, and for prob the thousandth time officially, BB does not support LS. So the question of their involvement or to what level or having them in TO, is all mute. While smitey is on the subject of what this thread is not about is scammers.... they are sad creature, and something we all hate, and is terrible all the way around. but that's all for another Thread.
What this is about, is BB increased number of tickets over ls, which is something they do not support, so can do little about. So this is in hopes of coming up with an abbreviation definition list, and guide for general etiquette when buying and selling LS. In order to hopefully cut down on number of said tickets, received by BB.

Before smitey gets into all this.... smitey wants to take a second and speak on scammers in LS, or more importantly how to avoid them. step one never buy a fish, hoping its a LS..... meaning if you don't see the add, don't buy the fish. 2ndly, don't buy from someone who is not in a guild(should be common sense here, but a real guild, not a guild of 3 people), unless know them, or their rep.

Moving on, two things to keep in mind when buying or selling ls, and apply many places in life, communication is key, and sometimes in life, and yes other peoples life as well, stuff happens. So if your buying or selling and in a hurry for finish,let it be know from start to avoid problems. But if for some reason things do not go as planned, step one is not trashing someones name, or sending a ticket to BB. step one is finding a mutal party to try to help resolve. IE a guildmate of other party.

ok, so smitey is going to assume BB does not need help compliing a list of adven name abbreviations.... which may be a mistake as we all know happens when one assumes.

So when someone sells a LS,or looking for a LS swap, it will norm be listed in one of 4 ways
1) adven A LS RTF, which means Ready To Finish
2)adven B LS FF, which means will be ready to send final in 15 mins, meaning expecting fast 15 min gen
3)adven C LS Fin in XX mins, or X hours.... which should be self explanatory
4) adven D LS.........which is kinda buying into a crapshoot, as with what smitey was pointing out earlier more info earlier the better.

Now if something comes up like a buyer only has slow gen..... it is up to seller if want to wait for them, or refund coins and find another buyer..... there may be another tagger involved whos opion matters. but its up to al players involved to find out up front if they are in that kind of hurry. but if you are the seller in this case, and don't want to wait 30 mins for slow coin bought general, refund the coins for the LS the guy gave for your fish.

Smitey would like to point out there is a difference between RTF and FF. If a LS is listed as RTF, smitey would expect to have the option of nuking and seller sending final immediately, or seding a fast 15 min travel general. so obviously if 2 LS to adven are being sold, they are mostlikly assumed to be FF, even if advertised as RTF, because the buying can not assume the other buyer will want to nuke as well.

Would also like to point out, if you only have slow generals, but have to buy fish fast to have a chance to catch them, make sure seller knows before you accept adventure inveite, so they have option to refund your coins and find a fast tag. if they do make that choice be nice and decline inveite ASAP, if its received. as they will not be able to inveit eanother till you do.

now if something does come up and tagger does not tag or seller does not finish, there is no hard right or wrong rule as how long one should wait
smitey will say, anything less than 15s mins makes you a bad person
But for real, if a tagger is moving after sitting for 15 mins and you whisperd them 3 mins after landing to let them know, then find a netural party.
chances are, if you informed them when selling the LS that you were trying to finish and start another son,they will prob make sure to be on it.
If someone buys a LS and forgets to tag........ as long that spot was provide, they should not be due a refund. If seller goes MIA, and buyer has to finish to free their LS, buyer does deserve refund of coins, and could even ask cost of mats for dudes used in said finishing of adven.

If selling LS its norm to wait till FF to sell. not a hrad rule at all, even more so if know someone who wont care how long it takes. which can work great with one, and then selling other spot FF, or RTF

So one more time, smitey will touch on info up front will fix most problems. if you think you might be slower to tag then buyer is expecting(15 mins standard) let them know to make sure its ok up front. if your the seller and have 27 mins of preium left and want to ge tthis adven done, let all the potential buyers know, when your trying to sell it.

anyway smitey hopes some of this has been of help to someone, sorry smiteys note turned into a horribly formed and spelled book

[Upgrayeddd]

ok, so smitey is not sure MoD worded the beginning of this thread in the best possible way

Yes, you're probably right, but most of have agreed that we'd prefer less moderation of trade chat, not more. Besides, we're only really talking about 100 or so people (on Zeus) who actively trade loot spots (a number seems to shrink every day) and these kinds of problems really don't come up all that often. I would have thought that the administrators had larger issues to deal with like the ones mentioned in this thread: being trapped in a LS, getting scammed, alts, or making LS tradable to eliminate all these issues. Instead, we have this thinly veiled attempt to astroturf a solution to a problem the doesn't really exist. Personally, I don't see the need for a moderator to "open the discussion" on this and I certainly don't want a moderator to "distill" my comments. In fact, I see this ever increasing moderation as the problem, not the solution.

[Axedigger]

This is really sad. Because BB has steadfastly refused to acknowledge that the selling of loot spots is a reality, some players have given up entirely and are now cocooned in their own little sub-game, free from the interference of moderation.

I agree if people are all in a bubble in there own guild just get rid of trade chat then. Heck get rid of the game seems to be going backwards with all these goofy things going on.

People should come out and trade and do things i know many folks hide in guilds now not just to swap but to get free things there are problems that need fixed not more added.

[Axedigger]

we have a couple people who got scammed guy posting a ls 2 of them for 25k each guy just got scammed so did girl few weeks back a guy and girl got scammed to.

We dont need police but what we do need is to let us click on a player we dont know without friending them to see what level they are. in both times this went on the player was below level 25.

So if BB puts this option in this will get rid of these fake guys no one level 2o should be selling blt ls.


Thats the only thing that needs to be done nothing else. When they post have there level beside them or give the option to click see what level they are even if there not a friend this should show for everyone

[Ceruhe]

What this is about, is BB increased number of tickets over ls, which is something they do not support, so can do little about. So this is in hopes of coming up with an abbreviation definition list, and guide for general etiquette when buying and selling LS. In order to hopefully cut down on number of said tickets, received by BB.

Right and the little thing they did to is do a stretch of no imagination, run the different way and change the ToS to protect scammers by us players not being allowed to call them out in open channels without getting the stick ourselves. Brav-O, let me get you a round of applause for that sad excuse. Granted there are legit cases of jumping the gun but those will sort themselves out just fine.

Smitey would like to point out there is a difference between RTF and FF.

That's very subjective. For all sakes and purposes there is no difference to me or even most any of us. 11/10 times I see ls posted in trade they are announced being ready or "about 20 minutes from finishing" aka a clear defined "ready" vs "not ready".

In cases of MIA many people even come to as "us" about "Soo my tagger isn't here, what's an appropriate time to wait for them?". We made that niche, we take care of it one way or another. Problems will always occur while the system is as it is and that's where Support can just not do anything about, matter of fact they should just stick to their all purpose answer "Sorry for the inconveniece we are looking into it and won't any jack about it, have a nice day yesterday".

But you know, it's not like this is another one of those cases of where BB could simply change 1 line of code to instantly fix 90%+ of all the problems and actually focus on those leftover 10% that may actually be real cases that need to be adressed.

This is really sad. Because BB has steadfastly refused to acknowledge that the selling of loot spots is a reality,

Just like they did with blocking, now there is a double standard to it (PvE vs "PvP") and the most genius of additions, Master of Selfdefense....because lo and behold even Pandur said something along the lines of "....but he is great for blocking, right?". Makes you wonder about left hand, right hand and that sort of stuff.

you need to start kissing up I guess

We both know this isn't going to happen