Player Guidelines - Lootspots

[MitisVis]

It's all very simple, nothing to worry any pretty little heads over. If there are all these questions about what are loot spots just pass on those links explaining them and send them over to the TO of their respective server and we will do what has always been done (without Mod or BB help). That is, explain it to prospects and police it ourselves. Imaginary problem solved.

[Plumz]

Lol Ceruhe I always enjoy your posts either here or on test. Loot spots are reality rather BB likes it or not (just as blocking is). I say give us a rating system for players to "rate" the adventure experience

"Worrying about being scammed? Buy only loot spots from players ranked 3 gold stars or higher!"

Hey knowing the cleverness of BB, there might be even a niche for making some gems spending in there

[LaTuFu]

In fact, I see this ever increasing moderation as the problem, not the solution.

Completely agree.

[Dirkjon]

I think most folks must have failed to read the initial post in this thread.....Nowhere does Magenta say that he/she is looking for input regarding rules for BB's or Mods to enforce.......anywhere. Rather, Magenta asked for input regarding some simple player created conventions that all players can rely on when buying & selling lootspots. That's it. Nothing more. And tbh, it's probably a good idea.

For example, how long do you wait for a ls buyer to tag when you, as the seller say your ls is "rtf"? Do we all agree that you wait 30 mins after the invite is accepted? Or, do we all agree that you should wait for 30 minutes after your invite is sent to the buyer? Or, do we all agree that a seller should wait for a longer period of time, or a shorter period of time? Or, that the seller should specify how long he/she will wait before finishing the advent? And what does "Fast Finish" mean? That the tagger has a shorter period of time in which to make their tag, and if so, what is that period of time?

Do we ALL agree that if a seller who sold a ls as "rtf" fails to finish the advent within 30 minutes that the buyers are free to finish on their own?

Do we ALL agree that if a buyer fails to tag within whatever period of time that we ALL agree on is a reasonable time to wait for a tag, that the buyer gets his/her purchase price refunded if they don't tag? Or do we ALL agree that there are no refunds if the tag isn't made?

Do we ALL agree that "rtf" means that the seller is ready to finish as soon as the buyer makes his/her tag? Or, does that mean that the seller is ready to finish as soon as all taggers tag? I've bought ls that were advertised as "rtf" only to get to the advent and find that the seller hasn't even sold the other spot. Do I get a refund or partial refund?

Do we ALL agree that if a seller doesn't specify that his/her ls is "rtf" that he/she has however long it takes to finish the advent?

Do we ALL agree that if the seller doesn't specify whether a fast gen is required that it is ok to send a slow gen?

And do we ALL agree that if the buyer doesn't tag within the specified time announced by the seller, or within the time that we ALL agree is reasonable to wait for the tag that we should be able to call them out and trash their player rep? And is it ok to do the same to a seller who doesn't finish within the time frame that he/she said they would or within the time that we as buyers think that they should? Without a general accepted player created convention it's not appropriate to call someone out for not tagging or finishing within x minutes because as it stands right now "ff" and "rtf" don't mean the same thing to everyone who is buying and selling ls. I personally wait 1 hour for someone to make a tag after my invite is sent on a ls that I advertise as "rtf" "ff" and I generally give someone from whom I bought a ls a couple of hours to finish after I've tagged, But I know that other people don't wait that long. So someone that buys ls from me may have the understanding that they have an hour to tag on yours. Is it fair to trash that person's player rep because you and I mean different things when we use those terms? Until we ALL agree on these things it's patently unfair to trash someone's player rep.

I think these are the questions to which Magenta seeks input from us, the players.......What do WE want to do? Not so the BB's or Mods can enforce them, but simply so all lootspot sellers and buyers are on the same page.

[JackANinny]

OMG love it

I agree with Troll. there is no need to regulate the LS. I am not even sure why this thread has been created unless BB and the mods don't have enough to do - here's a hint: fix all the glitches this game has before attempting (once again) to "fix" something that DOES NOT need fixing.

[CoffeeCat]

Lootspots are private arrangements between 2 players and need not be monitored by BB. Certainly there are enough problems for BB to be working on that are already identified?

If either player stiffs the other intentionally, word gets around and that player will soon find they can't give spots away and folks will shy away from trading with them. Nobody wants a bad TO reputation. And if something goes awry (cr*p happens: game lag causing unexpected troop loss, one player losing connection due to weather or technical problems, one player forgets and leaves or falls asleep, etc) the two players should (and do) work out an accommodation (refund, free LS later, gift of high-end resources). Why call a nanny into a snarl that the kids can work out on their own?

[Dirkjon]

Lootspots are private arrangements between 2 players and need not be monitored by BB. Certainly there are enough problems for BB to be working on that are already identified?

If either player stiffs the other intentionally, word gets around and that player will soon find they can't give spots away and folks will shy away from trading with them. Nobody wants a bad TO reputation. And if something goes awry (cr*p happens: game lag causing unexpected troop loss, one player losing connection due to weather or technical problems, one player forgets and leaves or falls asleep, etc) the two players should (and do) work out an accommodation (refund, free LS later, gift of high-end resources). Why call a nanny into a snarl that the kids can work out on their own?

And CoffeeCat proves my point.........

[Ceruhe]

And CoffeeCat proves my point.........

Which point? That occasionally someone will jump the gun on calling someone out for tagging late when they can't connect or had an emergency? Brilliant point....not. Sure it happens, I'd wager most "such accidents" happen through 323242374e stage of Alzheimers when they simply forgot about it, people have better things to do that wait ~18 minutes for a general to appear on the host island because reasons. I tend to go afk a bloody lot, simply because there isn't much attention needed on this game to justify staring at the screen until the General arrives. Well, I said go afk, I might just switch the tab and Youtube or something too, as good as forgotten right then and there.

Wanting to illustrate that "rtf" and "ff" may not have the same meaning to everyone is the same as trying to argue there being a difference between "twelve" and "a dozen" when all you've done is grasping at straws with that, they are essentially the same. As you saw posted already, there have been several posts/links been made to already player written ls etiquettes....but you know, it's not an official guideline, which makes this entire topic just as useless in the first place as there will be no "enforcement on rules that do not exist". Yet still, etiquettes are available and have been written down several times by different people, all being pretty much the same with subjective opinions on how long to wait on alzheimers etc, but again, there is nothing official in the first place.

It's better for such meaningless confrontations to happen anyhow in a stupid game with nothing at stake besides some pixels and the associated time that came with it. Those little confrontations are actually a decent skill to learn for real life when you are some place and request/offer service and it's not going the way you want. Meaning, if the host refuses to compensate a tagger based on "you were (way) too late" then said host does have a point of standing their ground, just like you shouldn't pay a plumber that didn't really fix the issue, let alone pay them twice to fix their mistake the first time around.

But you know again, BB is whining about getting tickets in that regard, when all they would need to do it hand out loot on accepting invite alone without needing to kill a unit. They can do it, don't you worry. Seems as if an easy solution to 90% of their problems is not inefficient enough for them to implement it....and then have the audacity to come around and start this topic, because why?

[Dirkjon]

Which point? That occasionally someone will jump the gun on calling someone out for tagging late when they can't connect or had an emergency? Brilliant point....not. Sure it happens, I'd wager most "such accidents" happen through 323242374e stage of Alzheimers when they simply forgot about it, people have better things to do that wait ~18 minutes for a general to appear on the host island because reasons. I tend to go afk a bloody lot, simply because there isn't much attention needed on this game to justify staring at the screen until the General arrives. Well, I said go afk, I might just switch the tab and Youtube or something too, as good as forgotten right then and there.

Wanting to illustrate that "rtf" and "ff" may not have the same meaning to everyone is the same as trying to argue there being a difference between "twelve" and "a dozen" when all you've done is grasping at straws with that, they are essentially the same. As you saw posted already, there have been several posts/links been made to already player written ls etiquettes....but you know, it's not an official guideline, which makes this entire topic just as useless in the first place as there will be no "enforcement on rules that do not exist". Yet still, etiquettes are available and have been written down several times by different people, all being pretty much the same with subjective opinions on how long to wait on alzheimers etc, but again, there is nothing official in the first place.

It's better for such meaningless confrontations to happen anyhow in a stupid game with nothing at stake besides some pixels and the associated time that came with it. Those little confrontations are actually a decent skill to learn for real life when you are some place and request/offer service and it's not going the way you want. Meaning, if the host refuses to compensate a tagger based on "you were (way) too late" then said host does have a point of standing their ground, just like you shouldn't pay a plumber that didn't really fix the issue, let alone pay them twice to fix their mistake the first time around.

But you know again, BB is whining about getting tickets in that regard, when all they would need to do it hand out loot on accepting invite alone without needing to kill a unit. They can do it, don't you worry. Seems as if an easy solution to 90% of their problems is not inefficient enough for them to implement it....and then have the audacity to come around and start this topic, because why?

Because why? Simply so players who buy and sell ls are on the same page. Nuff' said. Not sure about the rest of the rant.

[EpsilonSilver]

Back in the day we had BB telling us to trade lootspots at our own risk.
What happened to that rule?