COA: Anslem vs Vargus

[alice007]

So I also took a look at VLT with the gens. here are the final results i found. Granted maybe i missed a better set up but i think this is pretty close.

Anslem saved 367R 129M 20S (396 minutes)
Vargus saved 117R 103M 14S (224 minutes)

So in the case of VLT yes Anslem wins with savings of 170 minutes total or about 3 hours. I dont feel that the savings are as big as percentage of total losses as the savings on the ali babas.

You're right. I'm working on the entire VLT adventure. Halfway thru, it's looking like Anslem will be better for Tailors, Vargus for Ali's. Will post complete results when done, might be a while yet.

Edited to include link.

Here's a link to a Googledoc of the VLT attacks. Enjoy!

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...it?usp=sharing

1st Thanks Perwyn for running the numbers for VLT..

2nd I suppose, comparing losses on old troops vs new troops... (even when comparing percentages seems logical), is probably not apple to apple comparison.

3rd In the end, I hope we get all 3 and it is likely that sooner or later we will... Only thing I and few others have been wondering is, will it be 3+1?
If / In the latter case which one do you want the extra?

Come to think of it, for lower levels, except for Nausala being really really useful, speeding with MMAs or Nausala, or Major, if you have it shouldn't be a problem.. Apparently Vargus and Anslem still have uses on lower levels too...
So for Higher levels, for use with Elite troops, call it a tie,
and go with choice of EvilJ simply because you follow him, I mean his guides
or go with Anslem, because you are not following his path, and know how you want to use Anslem...

[Bigbobdog]

If i could have an extra of any general it would be Nusula. I think it would give advantage of having 2 wave 1 sacs.

I am not sure there is any troop saving gain in having more than one vargus or anslem.

[Perwyn]

So Anslem's skill "force accuracy" will make enemies less likely to hit?

Yes, Anslem's skill causes enemy troops to always do minimum damage. So if damage is 30-60, they always do 30. In the case of foxes which are 10-40, they always do 10.

[Perwyn]

Thank you Alice for joining the discussion. If not for you pointing it out on test I would never have realized how powerful Anslem can be. So in other words.... this is all your fault!!! ROTFLMAO

But seriously, it's very easy for Anslem to get passed over cause the other two choices are more flashy. I'm satisfied to have pointed out his strengths. Like I said earlier, if you're doing mostly Ali's and/or you use Evil_J's guides, then get Vargus. Otherwise, at least take a real good look at Anslem before you decide.

[Bigbobdog]

Thank you Alice for joining the discussion. If not for you pointing it out on test I would never have realized how powerful Anslem can be. So in other words.... this is all your fault!!! ROTFLMAO

But seriously, it's very easy for Anslem to get passed over cause the other two choices are more flashy. I'm satisfied to have pointed out his strengths. Like I said earlier, if you're doing mostly Ali's and/or you use Evil_J's guides, then get Vargus. Otherwise, at least take a real good look at Anslem before you decide.

Based on your comment can you give a good guide that uses anslem on Ali's. Isnt the goal with guides to take the least amount of losses. To me it has nothing to do with whether or not you follow EvilJs guides.

The way i see it Vargus beats Anslem decisively on Ali's.

I believe that Anslem will beat Vargus on FT's but not by large margins.

Nusula wins on low levels.

To me these statements are based upon the idea that you want to take the least amount of losses or least amount of loss of unit values, i.e. rather lose 3 recruits and 1 soldier.

Its not that anslem is useless he just pales in comparison on Babas. Your insistence that it is just as good on lets say WC or third thief seems silly and i would love to see a guide that proves it is the same.

[Perwyn]

Like I said earlier, if you're doing mostly Ali's and/or you use Evil_J's guides, then get Vargus. Otherwise, at least take a real good look at Anslem before you decide.

How is this insisting that Anslem is just as good in Ali's? I've pointed out his uses in the Evil Queen chain and VLT. I'm not disputing what Evil_J says about Vargus in Ali's. But I am saying people should look at Anslem for use in other areas because he is powerful.

[Bigbobdog]

Well you said useful in Evil Queen but yet no numbers. The numbers you gave as well as ones i gave show yes he is the best at VLT.

To add to the numbers here is Anslem vs Vargus on CLT.

I am willing to show my attack values for VLT or CLT if anyone needs. I would be willing to adjust numbers if you can show that there are more savings to have.

CLT
Anslem saves 151R 27M
Vargus saves 124R 7M

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Just a quick additional information. Roaring bull will get much easier with Vargus.

The first block which is a risky one in timing gets very easy when using Vargus + 124 recruits + 1 soldier + 1 elite + 54 cannoneers. This one only needs 40 seconds to complete, which is 30 seconds less than the GM 128 + 1 elite + 141 cannoneer combination.

Just my 2cts.

[Bigbobdog]

So i just took a look at The fisherman and his wife. Seems Anslem saves 20K (66 minutes) and vargus wont really help anywhere. So Anslem by a nose on that one.

[Evil_J]

lol seems the discussion is alive, here are some facts that influenced my decision

- normal barracks is easy, saving time on the elite barracks is what matters to me
- on BLT vargus only saves 103R, thats 0.86h in barracks, will also save 1 mma sac
- didnt sim evil queen chain because imo it sucks, i did it once and have no interest in doing again
- vargus will speed up attacks more than anslem on babas
- obviously my sims consider blocks, if you dont block doesnt make sense to think about saving troops
- maybe the other gens are better for newer players, but level goes up, and we dont know how and when the gens will be available for purchase