COA: Anslem vs Vargus

[alice007]

Its not that anslem is useless he just pales in comparison on Babas. Your insistence that it is just as good on lets say WC or third thief seems silly and i would love to see a guide that proves it is the same.

- obviously my sims consider blocks, if you dont block doesnt make sense to think about saving troops

I think guides can actually be different, and Evil's use of blocks does make a difference...
If you are like me, who doesn't necessarily enjoy blocks (poor internet connection), but still want to save troops, Anslem can be better on WoodCutter..
Unlike EVil's numbers for woodcutter, here are my numbers for Anslem, Vargus and Nausala on WoodCutter...
and if you do not block, the gap between anslem and vargus is most certainly not as wide as it looks in numbers from Evil_J

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...2kbESo/pubhtml

[Perwyn]

Well you said useful in Evil Queen but yet no numbers. The numbers you gave as well as ones i gave show yes he is the best at VLT.

Well, there is this from a few days ago. http://forum.thesettlersonline.net/t...l=1#post277015

Those are numbers from Red Riding Hood, number 4 in the Evil Queen chain. As you can see Anslem and Vargus go back and forth as to who is most effective, depending on the camp and end up with almost the same barracks time.

I just finished Hansel & Gretel, another in the EQ chain, : Aslem lost 42 MSw, 182Kn = 13.6 hrs / Vargus lost 147 MSw = 12.2 hrs. So Vargus came out slightly ahead.

Like I said earlier, I'm not so worried about a little extra barracks time. With skunks and recruitment guides, an extra hour is reduced to almost nothing. The fact that I can use Anslem in VLT and SLT makes up for a few extra minutes in the barracks somewhere else. (4 camps in SLT saves 64R,76M, not huge savings but it all helps)

It still all comes down to everybody has a slightly different way of playing. Doesn't make anybody wrong or right, it just is what it is. Looking at Alice's post above, she can do better on YWC with Anslem since she doesn't use blocks. Yet another way of playing.

So we all have an opinion, slightly different based on how we play / what we're focused on. I'm glad we're having this elongated discussion and hope it helps people figure out which one to get based on how they play and what they want to work toward.

Added 12-20:

Went thru Pied Piper, this one tips in favor of Anslem.

100 Wolf – 50 Fox – Bogor – Gogor
MG: 10 Msw- 120 Kn- 140 Bsg [9 Msw- 25 Kn]
Anslem: 10 Msw- 105 Kn – 35 Bsg [10 Msw – 6 Kn]
Vargus: 10 Msw- 40 Kn- 43 MM – 87 Bsg [10 Msw – 26 Kn]

250 Fox – 75 Bear – Pied Piper – King of Rats
MG: 20 Msw- 160 Kn – 90 Bsg [20 Msw – 147 Kn]
Anslem: 20 Msw- 48 Kn- 82 Bsg [20 Msw- 47 Kn]
Vargus: 92 Msw- 44MM – 44 Bsg [91 Msw]

200 Ryl Cav- 50 Xbow – Dark Wizard
MG: 20 Msw- 100Kn – 150 Bsg [20 Msw – 100 Kn]
Anslem: 20 Msw- 45 Kn- 85 Bsg [20 Msw- 40 Kn]
Vargus: 92 Msw- 42MM – 46 Bsg [92 Msw]

[Blamuut]

Well, there is this from a few days ago. http://forum.thesettlersonline.net/t...l=1#post277015

100 Wolf – 50 Fox – Bogor – Gogor
MG: 10 Msw- 120 Kn- 140 Bsg [9 Msw- 25 Kn]
Anslem: 10 Msw- 105 Kn – 35 Bsg [10 Msw – 6 Kn]
Vargus: 10 Msw- 40 Kn- 43 MM – 87 Bsg [10 Msw – 26 Kn]

250 Fox – 75 Bear – Pied Piper – King of Rats
MG: 20 Msw- 160 Kn – 90 Bsg [20 Msw – 147 Kn]
Anslem: 20 Msw- 48 Kn- 82 Bsg [20 Msw- 47 Kn]
Vargus: 92 Msw- 44MM – 44 Bsg [91 Msw]

200 Ryl Cav- 50 Xbow – Dark Wizard
MG: 20 Msw- 100Kn – 150 Bsg [20 Msw – 100 Kn]
Anslem: 20 Msw- 45 Kn- 85 Bsg [20 Msw- 40 Kn]
Vargus: 92 Msw- 42MM – 46 Bsg [92 Msw]

Hey Perwyn, slightly better sims for Vargus comparison assuming that combat sim you linked is correct:

Vargus 18MSW 82MM 80AM (Mounted Swordsman: 11 - 17 (Φ 14.69764)) ---> Gogor
Vargus 84MSW 96BSG (Mounted Swordsman: 65 - 83 (Φ 75.47490)) ---> King of Rats
Vargus 80MSW 100AM (Mounted Swordsman: 67 - 79 (Φ 73.68573)) ---> Dark Wizard

Personally I will encounter many more Mounted Bowman than I will Foxes/Cavs on my adventures, so I'm going Vargus. Either of them will be fine but Nus seems only useful for sac'ing.

[Perwyn]

Thanks Blam!

[KarlyleBI]

Hiya Evil J, thanks so much for all the time and effort you put into your guides. I'm building troops for a ToK run. At this point, should I wait for your Vargus guide?

[Raubhautz]

The time savings in the barracks is important. [...] I don't think there's a right or wrong choice here, it depends on how a person is playing the game. If a person is using Evil_J's guides all the time, then they'd better pick Vargus since he is, otherwise, there are other factors to consider in the decision making process.

Very true, though I do believe if players primarily use Evil_J guides, they may still desire other generals for 'style' purposes, or whatever. Evil's primary concern is barracks time; if that is not yours, make the appropriate adjustment(s). Most players probably do not visit the test server often enough to test out the new stuff so are forced to rely on the recommendations of others.

Let us not forget that it appears that these generals may NOT be available again through the merchant.... so choose carefully, whatever your considerations are!

[Moonlime]

[QUOTE=Domesday;277001]

Long story short, i'm picking VARGUS, and its the one ill use on guides from now on.

THANK YOU, EVIL_J! The one and only true rock star in the game!

Thanks Evil_J. The walking times take forever now. It's awful so less walking times are attractive at this point.

[Ceruhe]

Hiya Evil J, thanks so much for all the time and effort you put into your guides. I'm building troops for a ToK run. At this point, should I wait for your Vargus guide?

You will end up waiting long time for that, ToK is just about the most terrible from the Ali's, low priority on his list.

[Evil_J]

people speaking for me is fun
actually ive redone de guides for almost all babas, only missing oil, princess and tok, it will be done fast if i dont need to take new prints, if its just change some troops it will be posted very soon

also to add some numbers to the table in 1st page
Seasnake: -17h in barracks
Besieged: -10.5h in barracks

on oil it will just replace 1 camp in short/mid run, and 2 more camps on the full run
princess havent looked yet, probably not very good savings either, but its a sucky adv anyway
knowledge can probably save 10-20h in barracks, just a rough estimate for now

im also picking a gen based on the fact that these gens might be unique and not be available in the shop later

[alice007]

im also picking a gen based on the fact that these gens might be unique and not be available in the shop later

I just had to say for fun (i.e. you might still be right) -
Remember Industrial Mines?
Remember Grout only during events?
etc...

And I really hope BB understands, what BB is saying publicly on this very forum :|

Hi CoffeeCat,

We plan on offering the new generals in the shop at some point in the coming year.

Cheers,

BB_Aeyline