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    [Feedback] Dev Diary Valentine 2020 Event

    Please feel free to leave your thoughts and comments on the [Dev Diary] Valentine 2020 Event below.

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    Name: Valentine
    Effect: +200% to resources, refiller and XP!
    Targets: Completed Co-op & Multiplayer adventures
    Condition: Three (3) active Valentine Card buffs

    As long as this conditional buff is active, the owner will be able to take advantage of increased loot from their cooperative adventures, including Flower Refills!

    Only thing I need clarified. Is if the buff must be active before the co op adventure begins. If I can beat up the entire map. Get the buff active, close the adv and have my troops en route back home to send out again.
    Being able to complete 3 co op adv in a 3 hour period is going to be near impossible.
    And hardly worth it when I have to jump through a flaming hoop just to get the "benefit" of additional flower refills.
    Meanwhile I can still run second and OIL all day long.

    This is where I wonder. I see a bundle like this and I wonder how disconnected you designers are, from the capability of us players.
    Nobody wants or needs a second Anslem.
    Of the 3 COA, he is the least used. So right off the top, you've lost my interest.

    The proof that someone loves you:
    1x General Anslem
    1x Endless Iron Mine
    1x Large Riverhouse
    1x Small Riverhouse
    1x Improved Warehouse
    1x Prestigious Friend Buff
    1x 7 Premium Days (2x3 Days, 1x 1 Day)
    3x Hugs and Kisses


    Ya know. Offering an endless iron mine sounds nice. For that 25k gem value. But we did not all agree it should be priced that high to begin with.
    We have industrial iron mines and refills. And we have multiple geos to give us improved iron mines. And we have Bakery.
    We really don't need an endless Iron mine. Endless copper actually holds more value. We would eliminate many small cycles of searching and upgrading by not having to click away at keeping copper mines going.
    Large waterhouse. I can buy one for less than 1/10 price of bundle. I'll just do that. Buy the rest from guild mates markets which they will not buy.
    So yes. I may be limited to buying only 7 from my market. But I am free and able to supply a friend with the flowers to buy more and send them my way.

    2x Assassin
    2x Big Catapult
    2x Rain of Arrows
    2x Rain of Flaming Arrows
    2x Ballista

    This has a total cost of 3190 Star coin, taking only 2 day's to be able to purchase these items.
    With 3 Laboratory, I can produce 3200 star coins for the cost of 256000 plat ore and 12800 coins. Taking roughly 10 days. With less Laboratory it would still be under 20 days. As infrequent as we are required to use such powerful buffs, we are more than capable of exceeding the cost to maintain.

    I just bought a PFB without even checking my balance of SC.

    The bundle as a whole is a very ineffective purchase. There is no exclusive value in acquiring the package.
    And yet. You dangle it. As if we are supposed to drop a hundred bucks to get the gems to get the flowers to get the bundle.
    Birthday, you did the same.
    Christmas, another big bundle nobody wants.
    Right now, two massive bundles that hold very little value.
    You are aware of why nobody respects EA right?
    You are starting to walk that path. Probably not the best idea.

    These bundles over and again offer endless iron mine. Which seems to be your go to valuable item without the realization that we have better options than an endless iron mine. It is an ineffective building. As if I will buy a bundle for a second vargus, when I can buy a second vargus.
    Hm.

    If you really are convinced that bundles are the new go to. Maybe a reform would do you good.
    My thought would be to sell a ticket.

    So here buy this bundle.
    12500 Gems.
    1 medal of bravery - exchange to recruit 1 of the folliwing. MMA, vargus, nus, OGG, ygg, etc.
    1 explorer map - exchange to recruit 1 of the following scouts.
    1 Valuable pickaxe - exchange to recruit 1 of the following geographers.
    Contractors deal. - imp floating res, small river house, mag res.
    And then throw in a buff pack. Condesing over 16k gems of purchse into 12500. You are really only giving 30% priced reduction but granting the freedom of choice. The value of that freedom is more attractive than "you get what we offer".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snaketeeth01 View Post
    Name: Valentine
    Effect: +200% to resources, refiller and XP!
    Targets: Completed Co-op & Multiplayer adventures
    Condition: Three (3) active Valentine Card buffs

    As long as this conditional buff is active, the owner will be able to take advantage of increased loot from their cooperative adventures, including Flower Refills!

    Only thing I need clarified. Is if the buff must be active before the co op adventure begins. If I can beat up the entire map. Get the buff active, close the adv and have my troops en route back home to send out again.
    Being able to complete 3 co op adv in a 3 hour period is going to be near impossible.
    And hardly worth it when I have to jump through a flaming hoop just to get the "benefit" of additional flower refills.
    Meanwhile I can still run second and OIL all day long.
    The buffs need to be active before you end the adv as long as its active all 3 farms buffed then you will get the bonus loot...am curious what c0-op you doing that takes that long ? I can do 2 sieges every 30 minutes my own and the one I join ...and if I am using the observatory would be around 20minutes

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    The event on the surface looks great, until you realize you have to obtain even more event resources in 2/3 of the length of a normal event with less opportunity to get them.

    Proof of love is a nice bundle, if you can gather the resources for it. I can't say I really have all that much use for either a second Anselm or an endless iron mine, but it's nice to have the possibility to get them for something other than gems.

    Chocolatier produces some potentially interesting buffs. One viscous drinking chocolate is better than two barazeks, and sugar glue is better than hide glue or resin (though the 16 hour time is meh).

    I wasn't sure what utility love tree would have due to the long cooldown, but it seems quite nice for events with farms. Not sure how I'd use it beyond that unless I had five of them.

    Paying event resources to upgrade buildings? Yeah, it still sucks.

    Five more explorers pending additional nerfs.

    Not upgrading any of those buildings to level 7 either. I'm not sure what I actually would upgrade.

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    So Keener is basically Intrepid but a little more so. The river buildings are okay I guess. I doubt anyone can get 3 Chocolatiers and 3 Love Trees fully built up in time. Then again, I see no real need to go above the second upgrade for the Chocolatiers. The last upgrade just gives you a weak version of Rain of Arrows that you can't use with other arrows. Pointless really.

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    This year it's harder to get flowers and items cost more.
    Adventures return 30% LESS flower refills.
    Explorers return 30-50% LESS flowers.
    Lovely Explorer costs 40% MORE at 2099 flowers. Last year it was 1490 flowers.
    Charming Geo costs costs 44% MORE at 1149 flowers. Last year it was 799 flowers.
    You get NO flowers from Collectibles, Calendar doors, or Achievements.

    Last year I was able to make 6000 flowers.
    I bought an explorer, a geo, and the observatory and star charts.

    Buying one Choclatier and one Love Tree will cost 5490 flowers.
    Upgrading each will be another 3000 flowers.
    A Keener explorer is 2899 flowers.
    Not to mention up to 7 Water mansions for 2249 flowers each, and up to 7 Large riverhouses at 1495 each.

    Lots of nice buildings and specialists, but way less flowers. Flower packages anyone?

    The flower refills from adventures are insufficient. To get refills for 1 day of flower farms will require up to 24 Tomb Raiders. BB made a huge mistake limiting the refills. To make matters worse, the 70%/30% return of flowers doesn't work. 14 Tomb Raiders, and 1 time I got the higher refill. That's 7%, not even close to 30%.

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    PFB - Not even a mention for an event that is all about co-opt.

    My guild buddies are already lining up swaps but nothing is said about how this PFB will affect the other buffs like Flower Bouquet or Valentine Card/Valentine buff. We need to know if they will cancel each other out or help each other.

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    Actually the level 3 chocolatier buff is one thing I look forward to.

    It as access to a form of arrow without spending SC.
    So instead of focusing on how powerful it isn't. Why not focus on the fact that is is cheap on resources?

    For the cost of making one of these cheap arrow. You can snipe a camp which you normally would lose 82 MS to.
    Bam. Drop one of these cheap buffs.
    Now you only lose 37. Nice.
    Now you are saving platinum bars, platinum, coal, brew, Elite racks time.
    Whatever individual resource you are suffering a bottle neck in. This cheap buff is a no SC resource that you can cut back your costs while you work to alleviate this pressure. Be it gaining more ETG, more friary, whatever you need. And as a "hidden" bonus. You can cut back on MS and knight loss on any camp that you want.

    I have not done siege. I do not have observatory.
    So lets take your example of siege being the best case scenario.
    For most, maybe 40 minutes from when you start the adv, to when your gens return. Supposing you have the ally to do it with.
    Just so happens. I can do a second thief and return in that same time.

    Maybe in best case with the valentine buff active, siege would pay out more flower per ls than the second thief.
    But hold on..
    I am being paid 30kc for the second thief. I am getting hundreds of grout. Thousands of beans.
    And check this out. Thousands of deposit refills for saltpeter and titanium.
    It is likely that I am going to pull 500 grout. It is easy to sell 1k grout for over 200 flower. So. Do you think a siege is going to drop over 200 flower? I don't.
    The depo refills come in increment of at least 1k.
    *** goes for 1:3 salt for 1:4. So there is another 4 k in gold.
    Second thief can also drop a TOW map. Which you either pocket and use for future use in your weekly challenge. OR as a mid level player buying into the LS for 30kc, you can then sell this adv fr over 35k and make their investment back before even looking at the loot rewards.

    Second is going to give me over 100k thousand xp. siege gives me 6k. So for that same 40 minute investment. When I need over 140 mil xp to gain a level over 72. That 6k xp is not worth my time and clicks. I do not care how much focus you try to put on "oh hey, co ops give flowers woo!".
    Well. The loots from second outweigh anything siege can offer.

    In october I bought multiple imp storehouse for 16kc. Bought multiple DC for under 20kc.
    Waited. Waited. Waited.
    Christmas came.
    I sold each DC for over 330 presents, and storehouse for over 200 pres.
    So realistically. Any time I sell a second thief for 30-32kc. I am about to buy 2 imp store during off event, which means that gold is giving me 400 pres.
    Before I sell deposits or grout.
    You can easily EASILY! Get 500 event resource PER second thief run. And can be completed in less than an hour. So dropping a scout buff and running at least 2 within that 2 hour of play time. Is going to give you probably 3695% more beneficial than siege will even with applying the most benefit you can from the event.

    Oh. And running second thief costs no more units than a WC. you can easily replenish your army as fast as you would need to.
    Again releasing some of of this pressure from a "no cost" arrow.
    Which for purpose sake. Specifically within 2nd thief is a camp which I need to tap with MMA multiple times to remove first strike before I can swipe at it with no loss. Here is the problem. You cannot stack your attacks or they get intercepted and attack elsewhere. Other maps have the same issue. So for time sake. I will now be able to drop a cheap arrow and tap the camp much faster and drop my clear time by maybe a full minute. Oh. a minute you say? Hey not bad for an adventure that I run 39 times and take 39 minutes to complete. That is like, and additional run for something I am already doing anyway. And what if I do that set of 39 3 times a year. That is like.. 3 more second thief a year!
    Out of one "useless" buff.
    Not that bad over the long run.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snaketeeth01 View Post
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    Sounds like *way* too much work for a game that is supposed to be a fun time waster.

    I'm missing TSO less and less these days, and this is exactly why. It's too much work for the things that used to be fun. I'm really only here for my Guild these days.

    Socialise and support the new players, but as far as actual advancement? BB has made it clear they don't care about me unless I'm an ATM.

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    I have no room for more new Buildings! I have deleted 58 grade 5 noble houses ( I paid 95 gems apiece for), laboratory's, observatory, pirate res, guild hall, tavern, training fields, White castles & fairy tale castle. So I can make room for the new generals and extra buildings that add speed buffs because for some reason somebody thought it was a better idea then upgrading and buffing. As for the generals I'm so glad we keep getting new ones that make old ones obsolete (especially all the ones I paid gems for). I didn't get any valentine buildings last year and I'm not this year. The xmas market and bakery are the only buildings I'm getting going forward. I'll take what ever explorers there are, I have 73 the more the merrier. Even the 16 geos I paid for are obsolete as well as the iron geos. I like the fact the specialist are specializing. I just wish I could get a refund for the crap I don't need. I'm considering getting rid of the spring parks and snack stands next.

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